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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 10:39 pm 
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I was looking at Justin-chan's site, and there he had a picture of the cover of the Hong Kong DVD box set.

I was wondering, if anyone knows a site that is selling it.

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I was looking at Justin-chan's site, and there he had a picture of the cover of the Hong Kong DVD box set.

I was wondering, if anyone knows a site that is selling it.

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If it is a set from Hong Kong then it is probably bootleg. Don't buy bootleg, buy the real items and support the show.

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Region coding forces people not to import. Whatever you do you're breaking the law. Just get the bootleg. I haven't seen it on ebay but that's usually a good place to find HK DVDs.

I'm curious as to what source these use and how the subtitles are.

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Region coding forces people not to import. Whatever you do you're breaking the law. Just get the bootleg. I haven't seen it on ebay but that's usually a good place to find HK DVDs.

I'm curious as to what source these use and how the subtitles are.


I still import even though I'm region 1. >.> (Europe has it lucky with their region 2! )

Anyway, check yahoo Japan auctions if you really don't want to bother buying real DVDs.

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I still import even though I'm region 1. >.> (Europe has it lucky with their region 2! )
Pratically any player you buy now in the UK is either region free or region free after a quick remote hack anyway.

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HK's are just baka. The whole region coding thing is just nonsense these days.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks

Unless you are VERY unlucky that site should be able to help you with that.

HK people are just out to make LOTS of money and NONE of the money goes back to Bandai / Toei. Its perfectly possible to make your own VCD's / DVD's of fansubs. It might take a few goes but once you've done it once its just like riding a bike. There is no excuse to give the HK'ers any money. Also the translation quality is baka compared to fansubs.

Another thing to remember is that the HK'ers HAVE NOT used vob quality source. All they have done is get tv cap raws off winny, translated to chinese and then in to english and then mastered their own DVD's. Thats why you find that on HK's they still have the clock because they have used TV caps instead of vobs from region 2 source. So at the end of the day all they are doing is what you could do it yourself with a bit of know how and a CD writer XD.

As for the DVD's themselves, yeah they might cost a lot but they can be had for $55.49 from Yesasia per volume with free shipping. They might be 5 / 6 times the cost but they're worth it for the quality of the video / sound and the special extras you dont get on HK's. There is no way that a tv cap will EVER look better than a vob period.

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HK's are just baka. The whole region coding thing is just nonsense these days.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks

Unless you are VERY unlucky that site should be able to help you with that.

HK people are just out to make LOTS of money and NONE of the money goes back to Bandai / Toei. Its perfectly possible to make your own VCD's / DVD's of fansubs. It might take a few goes but once you've done it once its just like riding a bike. There is no excuse to give the HK'ers any money. Also the translation quality is baka compared to fansubs.

Another thing to remember is that the HK'ers HAVE NOT used vob quality source. All they have done is get tv cap raws off winny, translated to chinese and then in to english and then mastered their own DVD's. Thats why you find that on HK's they still have the clock because they have used TV caps instead of vobs from region 2 source. So at the end of the day all they are doing is what you could do it yourself with a bit of know how and a CD writer XD.

As for the DVD's themselves, yeah they might cost a lot but they can be had for $55.49 from Yesasia per volume with free shipping. They might be 5 / 6 times the cost but they're worth it for the quality of the video / sound and the special extras you dont get on HK's. There is no way that a tv cap will EVER look better than a vob period.

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As a Hong Kong citizen, I find this very offensive. It is against HK law to violate any kind of copyright regulations/laws of any country. It is only a select sector of the society that conducts this kind of business. In fact there are anime production companies who acquired the rights to certain anime legally and they are making legitimate business. Bootleg/ripoffs are not endorsed at all by the law-abiding citizens. Please do not colour the whole city with the illegal actions committed by a few. This kind of irresponsible comments does not impart any constructive changes. Your understanding is appreciated.

Also about the subject of "baka" translations...the local television stations have been dubbing animes for over a quarter century and their standard is very professional. In many ways, more superior to the English dub because the Chinese and Japanese cultures are similar enough that no bastardization of the original material is needed. In actual fact, the Chinese dub are more faithful to the Japanese version than the English dub version you would see on the North American channels. Anime production companies which have acquired the rights legally hire professional translators to write the script.


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I'm also from Hong Kong and I am also offended. :| There are many quality official DVD and VCD releases in Hong Kong which are far more superior to American releases, plus they're really really really cheap.

As for mrploddy's comments, there's no way bootleggers would have enough money to get the tape from Toei just so the clock would be not visible. Plus, the R2 DVDs are not released fast enough for this 3 DVD boxset bootleg. Besides, would bootleggers really buy the expensive R2? So of course, they're stuck with TV rips.

And because it's in Hong Kong, Chinese is their first priority. That's most likely why they translate to Chinese. Since there aren't a lot of people in Hong Kong that would read the English subtitles, those English subs often suffer from quality.

I would suggest not buying these bootlegs, however nice the cover looks. But if you're really broke and wants this set instead of the golden R2 release, then you're probably have more chances finding this set on Ebay.

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Ok perhaps my comments were more strongly worded than what they should have been and for this I apologise. I've just developed rather strong vieews about bootleg HK's and whenever I see people promoting bootleg HK's I kind of go off on one. My post was directed SOLELY at the bootleggers and not in general and I didnt make that clear enough.

I also forgot that knowledge of bootleg HK's is less than what it is on some other forums on the internet where I have been partaking recently in an official vs bootleg HK debate :( . In the places where I normally lurk the term HK is commonly accepted as referring to bootleg DVD's and producers of said bootleg DVD's not the Hong Kong DVD market as a whole including licensed products.

My views have been coloured recently by the activities of companies like Getterdome who specialise in selling bootleg HK's and if you browse the website the prices are just too good to be true :/

First of all I do not disput that there are lots of genuine and legeitmately licensed products released in Hong Kong. As a matter of fact I am the product owner of a genuinely licensed Star Wars Video CD set released by Videovan which I got a few years ago, its just a shame that its only in Sepetember that George Lucas is FINALLY going to give us what we want. My comments were solely directed at the products which attempt to pass themselves off as the real thing when they are not and are absurdly cheap and the select few who engage in such piracy.

Secondly with respect to translation I know that Chinese versions are often more faithful to the original version. However I have been told by people with more knowledge of Japanese than myself that the bootleg DVD's which find their way over here are very poorly translated compared to fansubs of the same thing. This is a reflection on the speed at which they make the product and the lack of care which they take because of the pirates desire to get things out fast. In recend years the only decent bootleg HK's has been that of Hurricanger( a Sentai series). One such example of a "bad" HK's would be those for Kamen Rider Blade. They dont even get the name of the show right.

Once again my apologies that you misinterprted the original intentions of my post. All I want to see at the end of the day is that the bootleg HK people are put out of the business. While the likelihood of seeing legitimate R1's of PGSM subbed over here are at the minute minimal unless I hear otherwise. Each $$ spent on a bootleg HK of anime is less money going towards genuine licensors of anime in the US and reduces the chance of US companies spending the large amounts of money that it costs to see Anime over here.


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Ok perhaps my comments were more strongly worded than what they should have been and for this I apologise. I've just developed rather strong vieews about bootleg HK's and whenever I see people promoting bootleg HK's I kind of go off on one. My post was directed SOLELY at the bootleggers and not in general and I didnt make that clear enough.


No you didn't.

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I also forgot that knowledge of bootleg HK's is less than what it is on some other forums on the internet where I have been partaking recently in an official vs bootleg HK debate :( . In the places where I normally lurk the term HK is commonly accepted as referring to bootleg DVD's and producers of said bootleg DVD's.


That is a very big assumption and very derogatory use of the name Hong Kong, a special administrative region, formerly a British colony, now under China's rule. Please refrain from using this term as such. If you mean bootleg anime DVDs from Hong Kong, state it as such. HK only means Hong Kong much as USA only means the United States of America and not indicative of any activities the American citizens conduct, legal or otherwise.

I encourage you to change the choice of word in this matter and I also would hope that you would be the first one to make a difference and advocate people in whichever forum that you were discussing this topic in to also change their choice of word.

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My views have been coloured recently by the activities of companies like Getterdome who specialise in selling bootleg HK's and if you browse the website the prices are just too good to be true :/

First of all I do not disput that there are lots of genuine and legeitmately licensed products released in Hong Kong. As a matter of fact I am the product owner of a genuinely licensed Star Wars Video CD set released by Videovan which I got a few years ago, its just a shame that its only in Sepetember that George Lucas is FINALLY going to give us what we want. My comments were solely directed at the products which attempt to pass themselves off as the real thing when they are not and are absurdly cheap and the select few who engage in such piracy.

Secondly with respect to translation I know that Chinese versions are often more faithful to the original version. However I have been told by people with more knowledge of Japanese than myself that the bootleg DVD's which find their way over here are very poorly translated compared to fansubs of the same thing. This is a reflection on the speed at which they make the product and the lack of care which they take because of the pirates desire to get things out fast. In recend years the only decent bootleg HK's has been that of Hurricanger( a Sentai series). One such example of a "bad" HK's would be those for Kamen Rider Blade. They dont even get the name of the show right.


I think many are familiar with the cheaper price of bootlegs/pirated versions. And obviously the quality will be much poorer. That is why there is a movement now in Hong Kong trying to uproot the pirating business as much as possible. I've mentioned this before in the OT forum, the HK police is clamping down on the pirating business by raiding malls (there are specific malls selling pirated goods and malls for authentic ones) at least twice a week. Anyone selling or purchasing the bootleg items will be apprehended. It has been reported that many people who were in the bootleg business is now complaining that their livelihood will soon disappear. I do not deny that there is still a market for bootleg items but HK as a society in general is turning away from this.

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Once again my apologies that you misinterprted the original intentions of my post. All I want to see at the end of the day is that the bootleg HK people are put out of the business.

It is more like an inappropriate choice of words that led to a shift in the intention of the post, not the interpretation by the readers. But your apology is accepted most welcomely.


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Uhh... cool. Can someone speak some english? I'm trying real hard to understand what you guys are talking about... :ohmy:


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This entire section need moved into the Polital forum as it is spiraling quickly downward into a war of words.

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Has anyone on the forum actually BOUGHT the HK DVDs?

I am curious as to how they compare with the Japanese release DVDs. Well actually, I am more curious on thier general quality for an English speaking PGSM viewer.

That's something to remember for those that wave the banner of "Don't buy bootlegs! Support the Industry!". Yes I agree, Bandai should recieve as much credit as possible. However based on the needs of an English speaking consumer

the Bandai DVDs do NOT have English subtittles. There is NO official Bandai release that has PGSM with English subs. Yes, supporting the industry is always the best choice. However - I don't think that PGSM is lacking official merchandise for us to buy. :roll:


So to get back to addressing the origonal question: Where can a good quality subtittled PGSM DVD be obtained
for those of us who do not have access to DVD burners?

(speaking as someone who does not own a DVD burner herself. Yes I can get my PGSM fix - but what about others. :( Others must be converted! Increase our ranks! :twisted:
... and if an official Bandai DVD is purchased instead of an alternative, it'll be a 'lil harder to get someone new to PGSM - especially PGSM - hooked, if there aren't subtitles....)


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Well, TV-Nihon recommended a site that offered to burn to CD-Rs for PGSM (the TV-Nihon subs) at the cost of one CD-R. But I forgot where that site was.

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I only find bootlegs bad when you buy them, but they are domestically released where YOU are. I mean, I can't dish out 50$ plus shipping for the official Japanese release in Japan for PGSM that I only 50% understand.

Flaunting that you saved by buying a box set for 30$ that is already released in your country is stupid, and wrong, and illegal.

Although, I would probably buy the official release once I get more money. But the HK release is good for those who need the subs and can't download them.

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You dont need to have a DVD burner to make something you can play on your TV. Most DVD players support the ability to play VCD's and you can make VCD's as long as you have a CD writer in your computer and these are common place.

There has been some discussion about it on alt.fan.sailor-moon

You use tmpgenc to make mpg1 files and then burn them using nero burning rom or your video cd burning program of choice
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This is one such thread which shows you how to burn off subs on to VCD. As for not being able to download them as long as you have a reliable unlimited dialup connection it is perfectly possible to download fansubs. I spent many a long year on dialup and I know its very possible to leech large files. I used to be able to download 100mb + if I left my computer on overnight.

If you have
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d) A DVD player that can play VCD's / or an S Video out that can output to a TV

There is then absolutely no justification for buying bootleg DVD's if you have all of the above. If your internet connection is unreliable / serverly bandwidth capped/ very costly and you dont have a dvd player with VCD support then I would understand you buying bootlegs but that is the only exception.

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Region coding forces people not to import. Whatever you do you're breaking the law.


Wha? Is it illegal to import official DVDs? Not as far a I know, it is an industry imposition, yes, but a law?

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Technically, you can buy the DVDs, but not the players.
But, if you're like me and just happen to have a region-free DVD drive on your computer... :D

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Wha? Is it illegal to import official DVDs? Not as far a I know, it is an industry imposition, yes, but a law?
Irrelavant. When someone says not to bootleg but to instead give your money to the very industry that is trying to stop you from buying from them it's just retarded. It may not be a law but the reasoning behind me saying you shouldn't feel the need to import as a moral need is sound.

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Technically, you can buy the DVDs, but not the players.


I honestly didn't know that it was illegal to do that in the US, luckily in the UK it is legal. I think.

Also the UK and Japan are in the same region, the only thing stopping me really is the fact that I can't understand Japanese.

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takaj wrote:
Technically, you can buy the DVDs, but not the players.


I honestly didn't know that it was illegal to do that in the US, luckily in the UK it is legal. I think.

Also the UK and Japan are in the same region, the only thing stopping me really is the fact that I can't understand Japanese.


Note that also you'd need an NTSC->PAL converting TV/DVD player.
That's the whole thing about R2 being both Japan and England. Sure, you get the region thing outta the way, but then you've got the even bigger problem of converting the signals from NTSC to PAL to play them.


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takaj wrote:
Technically, you can buy the DVDs, but not the players.


I honestly didn't know that it was illegal to do that in the US, luckily in the UK it is legal. I think.

Also the UK and Japan are in the same region, the only thing stopping me really is the fact that I can't understand Japanese.


Note that also you'd need an NTSC->PAL converting TV/DVD player.
That's the whole thing about R2 being both Japan and England. Sure, you get the region thing outta the way, but then you've got the even bigger problem of converting the signals from NTSC to PAL to play them.


Hmm NTSC to Pal conversion isnt really an issue when you play them on your computer :D

And anyways you can always buy a DVD player which supports both NTSC and PAL. It would be a bit daft to sell a region free dvd player in the UK if it wasnt able to take an NTSC signal and make it watchable on UK TV's.

If we want to get technical about it. I've got a VHS which can play NTSC videos. This is a UK branded VHS bought from a UK supermarket. The reason it can play and you can watch NTSC videos on a normal TV screen is because it converts the NTSC signal to PAL60 which is a "unique" standard. Its not true PAL because there are some deinterlacing issues with it however TV's have got the intelligence to do the rest of the deinterlacing themselves.

I had some difficulties with this at first when trying to play NTSC videos via my TV capture card as I thought it was outputting true pal and I was scratching my head about why it was black and white. However a bit of rsearch and use of the BTWincap drivers allowed me to setup PAL60.

But anyways the point I'm trying to illustrate is that NTSC to PAL conversion isnt as much of an issue as it used to be if a) you use your computer (like I do) or b) you have the appropriate NTSC compatible hardware which IS VERY readily available in the UK.

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Note that also you'd need an NTSC->PAL converting TV/DVD player.
That's the whole thing about R2 being both Japan and England. Sure, you get the region thing outta the way, but then you've got the even bigger problem of converting the signals from NTSC to PAL to play them.
Most UK tvs for the last decade can handle NTSC just fine ;). Most of the rest can handle NTSC as long as RGB is used not s-video or composite. Even failing this, the majority of players can convert on the fly from NTSC to PAL if you need it.

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Sweet. What's the HK version like? Were you satisfied with the purchase? How does thier translation campare to TV Nihon's?

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Well, TV-Nihon recommended a site that offered to burn to CD-Rs for PGSM (the TV-Nihon subs) at the cost of one CD-R. But I forgot where that site was.


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If you go to TV-Nihon's site, scroll down in the updates window and you'll see some archive links. I guess you can search through there for the link. I'm positive it's in there. Sorry, I'm at school right now. :o

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UK is the UK. You guys have to import because of all the movies made in the west. Us North Americans aren't big on importing so people are not capable of importing unless they have specifically purchased hardware with importing in mind. That's why TVs around here don't support PAL. Because almost anything that matters is NTSC.

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I still import even though I'm region 1. >.> (Europe has it lucky with their region 2! )
Pratically any player you buy now in the UK is either region free or region free after a quick remote hack anyway.


Oh, wow. I wasn't aware of that! I had just been taking TV-Nihon's subs and putting them on DVD-RWs for my family and I to watch. However, since I only recently got my DVD player, it would probably be region-free, right?

The only thing is, do the official Japanese DVDs have English subtitles? I have only a rudimentary knowledge of Japanese, and my mother's is very limited. If there aren't subtitles, it would be a waste of money.

I think it would be good to support the show by buying official, because the more their products are bought, the more likely the chances of them continuing the show for a long run, right? I have been buying the CDs from CD-Japan, but I'd love to see the show without those numbers o the top.

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The only thing is, do the official Japanese DVDs have English subtitles? I have only a rudimentary knowledge of Japanese, and my mother's is very limited. If there aren't subtitles, it would be a waste of money.


No, there are no English subtitles. ^_^ (Not much point when it's only officially released in Japan....)

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