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I love both berserk and Sailor Moon. Does that make me unusual, open-minded, split personality?

I love Berserk for its dark tone and awesome fantasy, characters, and I think it's much better than the overrrated Naruto and DBZ (don't shoot me!)

It means you..... like Sailor Moon and Berserk. Nothing less and nothing more.

If I told any of my friends they'd call me crazy. I already have a reputation for strange tastes.

My God, is this a way to start a topic like this? My head hurts after reading the first post. So puerile...

Anyway, what the A Song of Ice and Fire series is to novels, Berserk is to anime and manga. It is absolutely compelling, not only in its level of graphic violence, but also in terms of storytelling as well. I wish the anime would have more seasons and continue alongside with the manga. The upcoming remake does look promising...

I was surprised there was no topic on this actually poor way to start it but I am two-face after all.

My anime club played it. I missed most of it since it was the last thing they played each night and I needed to be up early the next day. In fact, the only episode I caught was... the last one. So yeah...

However, it did produce one of of my favorite amvs, combining Berserk with one of my favorite musicals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avYiHUkas18

That's a classic AMV. Loved the little "Utena" touch around 1:13.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZkJFJacTM

Berserk = Manly

Sure the original series had a bad ending but it didn't ruin my enjoyment of it.

The dub was great too. One of my favorite New York dubs next to Slayers plus the outtakes with the VAs on each disc were hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDpB4IjlIOk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9pgY5LXDQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRINiOX4C3k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i2KKpeaIiI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z--CBhH-q4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USlKqeKOLWE

And let's not forget the soundtrack, the music for the anime was awesome and here are my favorites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCyPapIW6Vc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWfrDG0nmlk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ew2Vmhqn8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWXIQN7b9hw

Hopefully Media Blasters can release it on Blu-ray over here with the Japanese HD masters since it got an excellent transfer over there.

http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showpost.php?p=1974614

oh, and that someone brings over the new movies too.

There. That's better

Maybe I should check out Berserk. You think your tastes are conflicting? Try two of my favorite songs.

This. (Ignore the amv, the song is what matters)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d-giFRyU3Q

And this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLYHXfrL1cE&feature=fvst

I love both these songs, and they're only improved by listening to each other back to back.

But Berserk looks good. Though I'm intimidated by its length...

Most people here know how i feel about Viz so i'll just leave this here.



(replace show with company)

What to expect here...

-For them to delay the film's "Fall release" & sit on it for 3+ years before releasing it on disc like they do with everything else not named Naruto or Bleach (Professor Layton was lucky but then again, everything were already done elsewhere before Viz picked that up).
-For them to release DVD-only like with Professor Layton (which had Blu-ray releases in Japan AND UK).
-For a completely new dub cast.

And in even more bad news...



Media Blasters is officially dead to me.

I heard Berserk is actually darker and grittier than Bastard!! (which by its credit is already one of the darkest and grittiest manga titles around).

I intend to read Beserk once I finish whats left of Bastard!! and Cutie Honey and after I watch Sailor Moon Classic.

https://www.facebook.com/BerserkFilm/ti ... gefilter=3



Viz actually did something right (for once) and got most of the TV series cast back, something that the Japanese didn't even do for these films (which they continue to get criticized for by fans of the original cast) so i'll be looking forward to these films much more when they're available.

Berserk is definitely smarter then Bastard. I really didn't think that Bastard was done well at all. It just screamed pre-Inuyasha.

Great to see New York voice actors getting used for something other than Bakuman, Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Tai Chi Chasers, and Gundam Unicorn. It's a mostly New York cast, but a few LA VAs did slip in (Carolyn Keranen, Patrick Seitz, Christopher Corey Smith, Jameson Price, etc). I look forward to hearing this. Viz has done the impossible... make me happy! Who DIDN'T return from the original cast?

Sexist series written by a mysoginist author with a sick mind with no bounds.

Oh, I can give you a few examples of worse perceived misogynistic animes then Berserk. Any Gundam shows/movies that Tomino directed immediately come to mind. 80% of the women in those casts are just mindless and overly emotional dolls meant to die.

Actually, if you read posts in other threads, you'll see I'm not so fond of Gundam precisely due to those things you just said.

But since we're talking about Berserk here, I just wanted to point out just how f*cked up this series was.

And now that you bring that up, I'll take this chance to post THIS:



and say I'm making one of Casca as well, now that we're at it.

The reason why I draw the comparison to Gundam is because Berserk has its setting to consider. This clearly takes place in medievil Europe. And if you're familiar with history at all, if you were a woman you were basically property unless you were of royal lineage. Berserk has a clear and concise reason why a lot of the woman in this story are treated the way that they are. What you're complaining about is the same as if I wrote something that took place back in 1950's America that had a housewife toiling in the kitchen.



Secondly, I specifically mention Tomino directed Gundam for a reason. And Gundam Unicorn is not among his projects. As such, bringing up Ple Twelve isn't exactly a fair assessment given what Tomino basically gave Harutoshi Fukui to work with. Ple Twelve is a test tube lab rat that was established back in ZZ Gundam (which Tomino did work on). The circumstances given to her relate to her gender (such as being sold into prostitution), sure. However, the condition of this character wouldn't be very much different had this character been a male. And I personally feel that given that there were so many Ple clones in this unit, it was quite a shame that we only got to know two of them throughout the course of the initial TV series. Ple Three on up were basically just faceless pilots. So as I writer myself, I can see the desire to explore these characters further.

But the reason I mention Tomino is because of characters such as Chara Soon, Recooa Londe, Rosamia Badam, and the entire Shike Team just to name a few. They were all characters with glaring personality flaws that directly related to their gender and were generally treated with no respect by the writers involved. And they really served no purpose but to die and give the main character grief as a result in order to emotionally manipulate the audience.


But I get the feeling that you can't tell the difference either way. I get the feeling that if there is any kind of tragic or helpless character that happens to be female, you'll call "foul". And as a writer, I'm mildly offended by that.

Then why did the author even bother putting a woman in armor and sword in said setting? I don't even complain because it's not even realistic. But since they showed Casca (at first) to be this cool sword wielding girl, and then turned her into a broken, rape fantasy material plot device, it felt cheap.





What is it? Is it the usual, overused excuse of the "realism" of war? Because I don't buy it. Gundam has so far failed in doing so.








Gundam Unicorn initially established Marida/Ple Twelve as this cool action mobile suit pilot with a very stoic personality. But that immediately fades away with weakness and Damaged Goods Moe. She's the fantasy for all those overgrown children who jerk off to Puru porn. If you ask me, the way her character is being treated is mysoginist in itself.







Which is why it's wrong.




Actually, it would: if this character had been male, he would be given a fairly different treatment. They might even go as far as to give his issues the sensitive, responsible treatment they deserve. Or, if this sounds too idealistic, the character would instead just shrug these issues off until the plot demanded it.



Why? For more pedo porn? And even if they were developed like how you say, their fate wouldn't have been any different.




Write fanfiction then.




And the same will be with Marida. I'm willing to be 15 euros she'll die before the end, precisely because of these very same points you just mentioned.




Why do Gundam fans always feel the need to treat girls like idiots? Is it because they're emotional? So far, every time girls bring up the mysoginism that reeks in that franchise, you start dismissing our arguments and calling us names and telling us to "get back to the kitchen".



There's nothing wrong with tragedy: but when it's done in an exploitative way, like with Marida, it offends me.

For instance, is Annerose from LoGH offensive? No, because she isn't established as a "badass" from the start: the viewer already knows that's not going to be her role. (Although Episode 110 shows that she can be dangerous on her own)
Conversely, girls like Frederica Greenhill and Hildegard von Mariendorf are shown to be badass by using their brains instead of relying on brawns. Sure, they are secretaries and marry and whatnot, but they are female characters that are well handled and who don't need to be rape or anticlimatic murder victims for the sole purpose for the male leads' character development.

For two reasons:

1. To fully establish that Griffth is an evil bastard now.
2. Give Guts a goal to work towards.

Just because a woman is victimized doesn't always mean there is malicious entent behind the author's story. And you fail to note the two woman that now accompany Guts in the Manga. I'd hardly consider them weak.




No, you dolt. I was pointing out that Tomino was, in fact, a bit of a misogynist. I was attempting to find some middle ground with you and you obviously didn't comprehend enough of my post to actually get it.



BECAUSE SHE'S A CONDITIONED TEST TUBE BABY! WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER GENDER!

And your counterpoint about the prostitution backstory being morally wrong, get over it. You still can't comprehend the difference between a tragic female character and a character that's tragic because she's female.



You missed the point. Sans the rape, you could make Ple Twelve a male and not have to change a thing. I'm not nessesarily saying that's how it would be handled, but I'm saying that's how it could be handled and still make sense.



I agree that the little girl fetish that Tomino did wasn't very appealing. I'm half wondering if he was trying to establish something in Glemy that didn't quite make it to television. Regardless, every minor character had something established about them in the show thus far. It seemed like a waste to let the rest of the clones go without so much as a line.



Funny thing, that's exactly what Harutoshi Fukui did. And now their making an OVA out of it. Imagine that. So why do I have to do it again?



Hopefully not, but I won't take you up on that bet. I'd like to see him break the Tomino mold and have more then half the cast survive.



When did I say anything of the sort? Hell, I'm actually agreeing with you on Gundam, just not Ple Twelve.

It falls in the category of "Women in the Refrigerators", one of the most overused and abused clichés in fiction, especially in comics.




I've been dealing with the Gundam fandon for four years now. It makes me paranoid.



BUT HER GENDER HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HOW SHE'S BEING HANDLED! YOU CAN'T DENY THAT!



Marida falls in the second category. And excuse me, oh elitist UC fan, for not being so fond of the overuse of tragedy in female characters.



Again, how would a male character be handled the same way as Marida?



Thank God I can agree with at least something with a UC fanboy.




You could do better, if you ask me Unicorn is sh*t in my list.



I'm willing to bet that of that half that might survive, Marida won't be part of it.



Very well then, problem solved. Just don't be sobbing when she gets zapped by Full Frontal in some useless, pointless death because the writers saw her as "Damaged Goods".



That's the last I'll say about this subject. I don't even give a f*ck about Berserk, or Gundam for that matter, anymore. If people like watching women getting degraded and dumbed down in fiction more than they already are, fine, enjoy it. I'm not saying you enjoy that, MS-14A. Perhaps you (and Rika) are the exception, but most Gundam fans would be saying how Casca's (or Marida's) suffering is necessary for the development for the main character.

I'd argue that it was necessary to develop Griffith rather then Guts. Griffith wanted Guts to himself and felt betrayed not only when Guts left, but also when he found him with Casca before he tried to escape. Griffith wanted to hurt Guts in the worst way he could think of. What better way could you think of?

I wouldn't know.

But then there's the rape itself, which resembled some sort of fetish fuel hentai instead of a horrible deed done by a monster. It resembled porn.

So am I correct in assuming that you don't have so much a problem with the rape itself rather then how it was presented?

Exactly. Like you said, the setting is supposed to be medieval Europe. Back then, it was fairly common for a woman to be raped: you could say it was part of daily life. In fact, I'm not surprised Casca wasn't raped sooner in the series, considering she was involved in a male dominated issue.

But Casca's rape was portrayed in a way that it seemed like some attempt to draw rape freak perverts into the series. It was eroticized. The poses, Casca's face in several instances...

Personally, I saw the rape of Casca, to be a symbol of how much hate Griffith had towards Gatsu. I mean, after Gatsu left, he saw him as the sole reason his dreams and plan were shattered. Griffith didn't want Gatsu to die, he wanted him to suffer, and he did it. I almost think, even if the skull knight didn't show up, Gatsu would've been left alive, just because of that fact.

If anyone got some kind of hard on over her rape, they're idiots. Things in that show happen for a reason, not just to get the rocks off idiots.

•BERSERK: The Golden Age Arc Movie I - The Egg of the King (DVD) - 77 minutes - $19.98 - 11/27/12
•BERSERK: The Golden Age Arc Movie I - The Egg of the King (Blu-ray) - 77 minutes - $24.98 - 11/27/12

AS cool as that is, I hope that when they hit the point where he's the blackswordsman, Gatsu doesn't look as panzie assish as that.

I just hate how the characters look now in general. I know that the TV series was fairly low budget and they'd like to redo the whole thing but it still astounds me that they couldn't seem to be bothered to emulate the art style of the Manga (let alone the TV series) at all.