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I have no clue if this is an appropriate place to make this thread, or even if this thread is an appropriate thread to make, but I think it seems important.

I'm really new here, though I've lurked for a long time. And about a month after I finally registered, I just HAD to get away from this message board for a little bit. It had to do with Nangbaby, and not with her itself, but rather with how I feel she's treated around here. I got fed up with it and needed to take a break from even looking at this forum for a while.

I think that this forum is full of really awesome people, and when people have disagreements, it usually goes over well. And I've noticed a constant picking on Nang for so long now. When I point this out, people tell me, "She brought this on herself," but that really sounds a lot like blaming the victim if you ask me. When I check out the threads in which fights have erupted, I usually see Nang posting an opinion, and then someone comes along and totally disrespects Nang's opinion. It's fine if you disagree (Nang and I disagree on a lot of things), but I've NEVER seen her start something. It's always someone else who replies to her with harsh words just because they don't like what she has to say (she usually says things very politely at first). I feel like these people do this not because they disagree with Nang, but because they want to start something and they KNOW how to get on Nangbaby's nerves. And because Nang is the kind of person she is, she feels the need to strike back. And everyone knows this.

Basically, here's my thing: I've talked with Nang about why I don't think Stars is a retcon, why I feel that her views on society/power are a bit too out-there, and about all sorts of things we don't see eye-to-eye on (such as in the body image/feminism thread). But you don't see me baiting her. I really don't agree with so many of her viewpoints but nothing has ever really come of it because it's VERY clear to me how Nang thinks about things, and if you can't adapt to someone else's way of thinking, you're going to find it very difficult to communicate with them. I'm no one. I'm just some guy out there who loves Sailor Moon. And, like many of us, I feel that Nang's opinions can be very radical and very strange to me. But there's a clear difference when I reply to her, and when some others do. I see so much malice and anger, and it really upsets me.

I do know that Nang has said some things that have been pretty offensive, but I also know she apologized for them, and I can't help but think that a lot of it came out of being constantly berated and belittled for having some radical opinions. In an environment like that, who WOULDN'T be pressured to say anything you could possibly say? I feel like this is more than a dub/sub problem -- this is a problem in this forum, with the people who post here. I kinda like this place and I don't wanna see it start falling apart.

Maybe I'm being melodramatic and maybe this is way out of my authority to make a thread about this, and maybe this thread will also go to hell and get closed if it devolves into something immature. But the way I see it, some people here want to silence other people, and I don't think that's okay.

(That said, I do think that Nang's ideas about fandoms and websites and power and the "majority" are kind of out-there and too vague to be really approximated in such a splintered fandom as Sailor Moon's, so don't think I'm "taking sides" or anything -- I'm just calling it like I see it, and I expect everyone else to do the same with whatever they see, as well.)

I'll be the first to respond to this, because I agree with this. I suggest that you repost this thread in the off topic section and when a lot of people are online, so everyone can see.

I 100% agree with you. I like Nangbaby and I think she has descent points at times; However I think it's just how she puts things just ticks people off. I don't understand why so many people jab at her and attack her. For example: Like today....




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Not to throw the shade on Yen - sama or anthing, i'm just stating facts here. I thought it was very unnecessary for her to tell her to shut up. Yen was in the wrong for that even if they did resolve things later on in the thread. It was like Yen was starting drama before the drama happens. I thought Nangbaby had a descent piont.

And I find it funny when people confront Nangbaby about her action, but they don't confront people like Nevermind, because they know if they get on his bad side it's not going to be pretty, and everybody knows it . I find that real pathetic. And it's like people want to follow him because he's "cool".I know i'm not perfect but here's some examples of Nevermind starting drama:






How come Swifty, was the only one who confronted him? And when Nangbaby does the same thing (which is not as bad as his) the whole forum is against her?


I hope this thread does well!

John and BoondocksMoon bring up some very valid points. Lots of people may not agree with Nangbaby but generally her points are initially presented well, without any personal attacks or other issues. From what I've seen, something gets posted, taken the wrong way, commented on and then the situation escalates from there. Also: It seems that the dub/sub argument is not going to go away so everyone should stop touching it or figure out a way to be more diplomatic.

I agree with you, John. I don't always agree with Nangbaby, either - in fact, we usually have very different opinions. But I have enjoyed some of our discussions, and she generally seems willing to stay respectful as long as she is treated with the same respect. Yes, she has made some unsavory comments in the past, but I don't think I've ever seen her be nearly as hateful or cruel towards anyone else as some of the posts that have been directed towards her. I was particularly disappointed in the way that the Sailor Moon censorship thread got out of hand - there was really no excuse for using her photo to make hateful graphics in an attempt to degrade or ridicule her. While no one has to agree with her, I don't think it is too much to ask for such blatant personal attacks to be kept out of discussions.

While one half is telling that Nangbaby is a troubled, misunderstood soul who is just expressing her opinion, which seems to come as well informed in spite of their major flaws(as with everyone else's opinions for that matter). But the half is telling me that she has a history of trolling and causing trouble at all the places she goes to. Nangbaby seems to be a two-sided coin if you ask me.

I just find it real ****ed up that people defend Nevermind's actions, but not Nangbaby's or any other member who is not Nevermind, when they clearly know that he's in the wrong. I can understand Roman because he was always like that, but frankly i'm very suprised of Emily's recent behavior. Like I said before I have nothing against Emily, but she and others are acting like Nevermind's spawn lately. It's like Nevermind's the puppet master, in his master plan. Another Example:










I agree as far as not being comfortable with Princess's shower messages, but if I had a problem with it I would tell her on my own, not send anyone to do it. I find that very pathetic and immature. Yes, Emily had schoolwork, but she could of told her after she was done. It didn't stop her at other times. I'm very shocked that Emily did that.

Again, I hope this thread comes out successful!

EDIT:

Btw, Everything I said is attatch to Nang because, she is punish for her actions, while Nevermind and other member get's their glory . I'm just showing you guys the difference of how other people favor one person when the other who does the same thing gets bashed.

Another thing to consider is that any forum on the internet can be rough and nastiness towards others IS expected. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for everyone treating other nicely, having civilized conversations, and stopping internet bullies inflicting harm on others; but you have to realize it doesn't like that. Forums are like the saloons of the Wild West, sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes the bar eats you. So it helps to be careful what you say so that others will not attack you. Also, having thick skins would be useful.

Disagreeing with people's opinions is one thing, but disagreeing and personal attacks is another. Don't get me wrong Kum by ya's makes me want to cringe, but when it's constant bickering, bullying, arguing, etc. it's a different story. Even one of our mods Rikka himself said that he might ban the SM discussion, because of the redundant, constant bickering. I don't blame him. Poor Rikka, he has to deal with deleting threads all of the time. It's that bad! Is this what Nako want her fans to be like this?

I was once bullied several times at the Toho Kingdom Forums before. Believe me, it was not fun. But did I stood there and take it and let them get away? Hell no! I took it to the staff and they put those bastards in their place...momentarily. There were still other hostile members that attack me because I made some stupid mistakes(being naive for the most part) or rub them the wrong way(which is the LEAST thing I want to do in front of others). I tolerated it for a while, until I've decided to quit on mid 2010 because several members annoyed me so much that I just couldn't take it anymore. Nearly two years later I feel much better not going at the TKF than I was there. After my experiences at that place, I know how to behave properly here on the SMF and I'm much more careful about what I say too. Although, the members here are much more kind, welcoming and more fun than at the more aggressive TKF.

The point is, why bother staying at forum that treats you harshly? There's no point going to a place that makes suffer the same degradation all over again. Either try to change your attitude and develop thick skin or if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Quoted for truth.

Oh please. This was simply me stating my opinion on dub threads and how they always turn out, and was not directed at anyone. You can even see that in the very thing you're quoting.

1. I'm allowed to post for a friend. I even credited her in the quote, clearly showing that it was not from me. That's what she wanted. Deal with it. She doesn't have to answer to you.
2. If you had a problem with her shower messages you should have said so.
3. Roman is also allowed to post what he wants.
4. You somehow trying to insinuate that you're making a crusade against drama when you are clearly taking things out of context and accusing me of being some Illuminati puppet master (wouldn't be the first time) and calling others my "spawns," and oh yeah, deviating from the OP is the epitome of hypocrisy.
5. And since we're all pointing fingers, how come no one called this little comment of Princess' out? You know why? Because it's not a big deal.

Just like this whole thing isn't a big deal. The world isn't a place of Carebears, people will dislike each other and thus behave as such. If we value allowing people to speak their minds, deal with it.

Ironically, this thread created to act against "drama" will simply cause more of it, and thus should be Cauldroned.

While this thread does address a real problem here, I've got no choice but to lock it to prevent it from getting outta hand.

Quoting myself about it lately: