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there were rumors a first, but i wanted to know more..
i posted and posted in our fanpage SMPH
https://www.facebook.com/SAILORMOONPH
and asked if anyone knows any news.. and one of the fans posted that HERO TV, the country's anime channel will be airing SM come 2012,, then another one posted that she is one of the NEW dubbers and that they have finished season 1..

i wanted to confirm this news so i searched online and emailed the customer service of the said cable channel..

my email..
"hello, i am Ian a moonie and the admin of the non official sailor moon Philippines page on facebook.. i would like to ask if the rumors of sailor moon airing at HERO TV is true. if it is then i would plug and plug and plug.. been waiting for it to be back on the air for years..

i look forward to your answer.. "

their reply..
"Hi Ian!

Yes Hero TV would air Sailor Moon maybe around April next year but no confirmed schedule yet, so it may be moved depending on the agreement.

Thanks!"

~i just couldn't be happier when i confirmed the news from them, but it would be more thrilling if it was on FREE TV instead.. it being shown in cable gives it a limited audience..

i wonder where else is anime going back on air? i read somewhere that its going to be in Poland in December?

anyway, this is such great news for us Filipino Moonies!

Yeah. I would like it to air on free tv. It sucks my parents decided to switch cable companies.

DAM, why can't I go to the Philippines on that time
I'm not sure if my Grandma has HERO TV

TV Commercial - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWSYUxRIBKQ

My Chemistry teacher is exited about this. She's from the Philippines, and says she grew up watching Sailor Moon. She even says she gets this channel and that she'll be watching!

Hey guys,

I'm in the Philippines at the moment and Sailor Moon is currently airing in the Philippines in 2 channels - HERO and ABS-CBN

HERO - Sundays 11:30am-2:00pm and repeats at 8:30pm-11:00pm
ABS-CBN - Weekdays 8:00

Note: ABS-CBN uses the dub from Hero or vice versa since ABS-CBN is about 10 episodes ahead of the one in HERO

Second note: To obtain HERO, you will have to have Sky Cable, other cable networks in the Philippines (as far as I know) don't have HERO

Retained (as of episode 15)
- Japanese names are retained
- Most Attack names retained such as Moon Tiara Action with exceptions (I'll get to the changes later)
- Henshin phrases retained from the Japanese - e.g. Moon Prisim Power Make Up! (with very strong Filipino accents)
- All BGM is retained
- OP/ED Visuals retained - HERO ONLY, ABS-CBN uses bits of the OP and ED

Changes

BOTH CHANNELS
- They don't use suffixes - so Motoki-onii-chan is just Motoki
- I think the Italian quality is used, unsure
- Tuxedo Kamen is Tuxedo Mask
- Dumpling Head (Odango Atama) is changed to Pandesal Brain/Head (Utak Pandesal) - Pandesal is a kind of bread eaten in the Philippines, very sweet and tasty
- Shabon Spray is changed to Soap Bubble Spray (IN LITERAL ENGLISH)
- No 'Rin, Pyou, Tou, Sha, Kai, Jin, Retsu, Zai, Zen' though Evil Spirits begone is retained - just translated in Tagalog
- The 'In the name of the Moon, I will Punish you' speech is different in the new dub to the old dub of ABC 5. Unfortunately I fail in Tagalog (even though I was born there)

HERO (as of episodes 1-5)
- From episodes 1-4 - Karaoke for the OP is used. Episode 5 has the singing (LOL WHUT?!)
- Episodes 1-5 - Karaoke for ED is used
- Moon Princess pun is Moon Pudding (fine with that)
- Eye-catch is retained BUT...
- 'Se-ra- Mu-n' calling removed from the Eye-catch
- No Preview of the Next episode
- NO CUTS!!
- Introduction to the episode retained

ABS-CBN
- There are a few cuts probably due to time and commercials - HERO only changes to commercials 3 times: 1. After OP, 2. After eye-catch, 3. Before ED - All these only these commercials are very short, usually 1-3 previews of other shows
- No Intro to the next episode nor Usagi's intro
- No eye-catch


That is about it at the moment. Someone else will have to fill in for me 15 episodes plus, since I'm only in the Philippines until Monday next week...

And I would recommend to watch Sailor Moon on HERO, than on ABS-CBN for three reasons

1. Uncut
2. It's not on the weekdays, where school starts pretty early there
3. It's on a marathon, so you can watch 5 episodes straight in one day

But if you don't have Sky Cable then ABS-CBN is your only choice

^ You might wanna edit the "Sailor Moon in the Philippines" article at WikiMoon w/ those info.

Good for them! America is really being slow...

Just watched it. Currently at the Nephlite arc with that wedding dress competition episode. Forced to watched with ABS-CBN. I noticed just one cut but there sure was a lot of plugs and commercials. After that its Naruto Shippuden.

so is it there oringal dub, a redub...

and what did they do with Zoisite..

It's a redub. They've got new voice actors.




Unfortunately I got work. Monday is the only day I get to watch it. But the first dub in the 90's all the homosexuals were kept homosexuals.

Edit:
Its currently competing with the other network. It's either Tom and Jerry, Conan the Detective or Yugioh. Their time slots are not synchronized so I really can't tell.

okay, thanks

I had heard about Sailor Moon getting a redub in the Philippines, but it's good to know for sure. Does anyone know exactly why it's getting a redub? I know Thailand got a redub too...

i hope the US get one soon

The license was with ABC 5 during the 90's and early 2000's. Now the license is with ABS-CBN channel 2.

Yeah, but Sailor Moon hasn't gotten any other redubs since the revival. Toei has simply been re-distributing old the old dubs. Maybe it's possible the old Filipino and Thai dubs don't exist? The Brazillian dub is missing too, but was it redubbed? NO! Toei began with Season 3!

What in the world are you talking about? I'm telling you now we got a new dub.

Edit:
ABC channel 5 is a legitimate television station. I don't know why your denying the existence of an old dub in my country which Maya, Princessaiyan, Drix555 and I have watched.

Considering Toei does not hold the rights to any dub in the world, it's not really their decision whether each country can use an old dub or not, which is why I call bs on the whole "no re-dubs allowed" thing that's going around.
The ones who paid for the dub being made can do whatever they want with it, if the new broadcasters can't license the old dub, they have no choice but to either show the original or just re-dub it.

In Sweden, Tv4 aired SM first, they paid for the dub and still owns the rights for that dub, Kanal 5 who aired it afterwards licensed the dub from Tv4, if they didn't want to let them use the existing dub, Kanal 5 would have to re-dub it. Finland also licensed the Swedish dub from Tv4 (directly or through Plus Licens, I don't know...) while using the original for the eps the Swedish dub skipped. ^^

Yeah, I missed yesterday and today's episode on ABS-CBN because I'm back in Australia...fuuuuuu

However I did watch episodes 6-10 on HERO on Sunday. I did notice some more changes I missed out on

- The Preview of the episode at the start is switched to after the OP so it goes like this (only on HERO):
OP > Preview to today's EP > Usagi Introduction > Episode > Eye-catch > 2nd Part of episode > ED

- It seems that all 5 episodes from Sunday were Karaoke for the OP.

- ED Karaoke seems to be permanent

- In episode 7, Naru and Usagi sing random Tagalog for the Moonlight Densetsu - sorry I couldn't understand but I did record this, I might upload sometime.

- Oh, and Zoicite is a guy in this dub

Another side note: If you stay up on Saturday nights and watch at midnight, Sailor Moon is on; the next episodes. Thus Sailor Moon airs on a marathon, running 3 times in one day.


L O L whut?

Like rgveda99 said, are you denying that the ABC 5 (now called TV5) dub existed...I may have been very young when I watched that dub but Filipino who has seen that dub are telling the truth. Wikimoon has the Tagalog dub song there, which the new dub doesn't use anymore; don't believe me, go to wikimoon.

There were some people who have posted the old dub on youtube but it has long been taken down (I think). I might upload some clips I recorded of the ones in HERO (via. iPod touch)

Let me re-phrase what I said. I meant the ELEMENTS to the old Filipino dub possibly don't exist. I know it was created and was broadcast. I'm talking about the actual film elements. I'm bringing it up because it was an issue with the Mexican and Brazillian dubs. The Mexican distributor had to track down elements for a few episodes at broadcast stations, and Seasons 1-2 of the Brazillian dub only exist as TV rips.

@Alexander Toei DOES hold the rights to every officially produced dub in the world, according to the Brazillian and Mexican distributors. When an anime license expires, EVERYTHING reverts back to the original Japanese distributor, including the dub. This is the case for all anime. If an anime is re-licensed to another company years down the line, the original dub is almost always re-used. There are a few exceptions though. Usually when a dub is severely edited, the anime in question will likely get a redub. This was the case when FUNimation saved One Piece and Initial-D. However, all of Sailor Moon's dubs have been reused around the world during this revival, likely for budgetary reasons (dubbing is very expensive, especially in this economy). I'm interested in the Filipino and Thai dubs because so far, they're the only exceptions. The only reasoning I came to was that the masters to the old dubs were either missing, lost, or in unusable condition. It's possible Toei CAN locate the masters to first two seasons of the Brazillian dub, but is releasing the later seasons until the elements to the first two can be located. The only catch so far is that exceptionally edited dubs, such as the English, French, Korean, and Hungarian dubs haven't been relicensed as of this writing. When one of those gets re-released in any form during this revival, it won't hurt to keep a close watch, because it's likely to repeat for all 4 languages, and give us a preview for what to expect in the US.

There are elements from the old dub that no longer exist in the new one but there are some that are still there like most of the attacks from both dubs are kept...I can't compare the translation for 'Shabon Spray' for both dubs because I haven't seen the old dub in years.

Thus I can't compare the old to new dub because the old dub has be out of air for over a decade and remnants of it are from tapes recorded by people who got the chance to tape them.

I can only compare from what is implied on wikimoon

Alright, I guess that settles it. I can't come to a final conclusion, but for now, I'm just going to assume it was redubbed because of missing/unusable film elements of the original dub.

No, Toei only owns the rights to the music/sfx in every dub, but not the voices, the license holders owns the voices. I don't believe t
the Brazilian and Mexican distributors on that for one bit.
I asked Plus Licens a while back about this who are Toei's agents in the Nordic and Eastern Europe, I specifically asked if the old Swedish dub would be used if the show would be licensed again and they said it's up to the ones who buys the rights, but added "probably not", since the audio quality is of too low quality...
Considering Toei sent out crappy dubbing masters/scripts/everything, I seriously doubt they even cared one bit about foreign dubs...

For those Filipinos who have no time watching on TV, this user can help you play catch-up:

http://www.dailymotion.com/thesandies

It's pretty much common knowledge in the anime licensing world that ALL rights to ANY dub for ANY anime go to the Japanese distributor. Why have the English dubs for Soul Eater, Strike Witches, Durarara, Baccano, Gundam Unicorn, and the Pokemon movies appeared on official Japanese DVDs/Blu-Rays (mostly the latter) with no mention of the American licensee? It's because the Japanese distributor holds the rights to them, and can do pretty much whatever they want with any internationally produced dub. Why is it that when an anime is re-licensed to a different company, the original dub is almost always used (with exceptions)? It's because the Japanese distributor re-licensed said dub to the new company. When DiC lost the license to Sailor Moon in the US, they lost the rights to their English dub as well. They cannot legally distribute their English dub unless it's re-licensed to them.

However, once an anime is licensed, the company holding the license can all they can with a dub... because they have the license. However, the Japanese distributor often has some say, and they retain the overall rights to it, and can distribute it internationally. A license is different from holding the rights. Toei holds the rights to Sailor Moon. DiC only held a license from Toei to distribute the series in America. Toei was the licensor and DiC was the licensee. Toei still had power over them, and could tell DiC "no" if they wanted to. Your example with the Swedish dub is very simple. If the franchise is licensed again in Sweden, the company that licenses the series could redub if they choose, however, Toei has the power to say "no" if possible. Toei has been very cheap with international dubs with their revival. Like I said, dubbing is very expensive (redubbing all 200 episodes of Sailor Moon would cost several million dollars, depending on the production). Since Toei would be assisting with funding and producing (though the licensee would control most of it), they're likely being very picky. The Thai and Filipino dubs were likely in terrible condition or missing altogether, and the new companies were probably able to work out a solution to redub the series on the cheap. With what you're saying, the DiC dub would've entered the public domain when the license expired.

The plugs and commercials are too long. Which means only one thing. Its a money maker.

Well, why is the station even around in the first place showing anime like Sailor Moon? To make money! You can't fault a company for doing what they're purpose is. Just sayin.

One of the problems of free TV. I'll time it next time. I think it last 5-8 minutes.

Considering I'm not in the business, just knowing a few in it, I can only tell what they told me. What I know is that redubbing is VERY common in Sweden, well, in Europe in general, unless the distributors orders the dub (like dubbed theater realeases), it's entirely owned by the ones who paid for it. You are right that they could re-dub it if they want, but they can't use the existing dub if Tv4 declines to sell it to them.
Maybe licensing in the US is different or something, I don't know...

Slightly off topic but a non-anime example, Disney's Aladdin animated series, a channel licensed the show and dubbed it, then Disney actually had to step in and pay the channel for the dub a few years after before the channel shut down, otherwise they'd have to redub it. So even Disney who has such a tight grip on their products can't even do what they want with their own stuff. Bonkers has never been aired since the 90s because Disney doesn't own the dub and cannot use it...