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 Post subject: Should the Shitennou come back?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:55 am 
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And take the inner senshi to be their girlfriends?


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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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I am a big Senshi/Shitennou fan so I really hope so.
IF it will happen, it should happen in the Cauldron, when everybody else is revived. Or they could be showed by the Senshi's side at Mamoru and Usagi's wedding, in the last scene of the manga. To me, it would be a natural closing of a circle, without affecting the plot of Dream and Stars.
I dream of it but I think it won't happen ^_^'
I am happy Crystal added the Senshi/Shitennou thing (it could have been done in a better way, though) and I image the Shitennou coming back after Stars, no matter if it will be showed or not. :love:
Actually, I am eagerly waiting for Dream: the new character design (I think they are having a change of staff), Helios, the Golden Crystal, the Senshi as Princesses. Who knows, due the focus of Dream on the Senshi, I still hope for some hints of the Senshi's past love stories along the acts focused on each Senshi (a way to give each story a unique touch): of course, it won't happen 'cause the past staffs working on Crystal had some issue with continuity (and poor writing), so the Senshi/Shitennou romance felt something thrown in the middle but not used in its potential.

(they are not even able to keep the continuity with Neo Queen Serenity's hair and Princess Serenity's dress :P )


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They're a lifetime too late: the girls aren't the same as they were in the past. That, and Infinity 2 hints that the relationship between Minako and Rei is happening in Crystal too (you need to have read Casablanca Memories to notice).

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As much as I'm cool on Senshi/Shitennou, I feel that with Crystal, it would be too crowded of a cast for a good story, especially with so few episodes. I feel like they'd just be pushed into the background or really only show up for battles like with Tuxedo Mask later in the original anime. If there were more episodes in each arc, maybe, but it would still be a very crowded cast.


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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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Let's see. I'm a bit neutral to the Inner Guardians & Four Heavenly Kings pairing, however, I just don't see together as romantic couples in the current life. If the Four Kings were to fall in love with Inner Guardians in the present, then it would be a copy-and-paste of Usagi and Mamoru's relationship. The past and present are two different entities entirely, so there's no way it could happen since the Generals/Kings are dead. Mina, Rei, Ami, and Makoto are not the same beings as Sailors Venus, Mars, Mercury, and Jupiter altogether, though, they are reincarnated and do have the memories of the past.

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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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They're a lifetime too late: the girls aren't the same as they were in the past. That, and Infinity 2 hints that the relationship between Minako and Rei is happening in Crystal too (you need to have read Casablanca Memories.

If your talking about where Minako gave casablanca flowers for her birthday . That was in the manga, or the part where Minak ask where was Rei ? In the manga ironically it was Mako who asked where she was ? And Minako was she one who knew where she was ?(I personally believe if there really going to try that pairing that would kept the scene the same)

Personaly I would have no problum the shitenou being in the end . They all can just be at Mamoru, and usagi wedding. Just stand beside the senshi all like one big happy family. =^_^= (I know the probability of that happening is slim to none)


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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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No. For starters, the Shitennou subplot was one of the biggest mistakes of Crystal's entire production. I have a feeling that the writer and director for S1&2 realized this having dropped any reference of them in the Black Moon arc (there were plenty of opportunities). They had plenty of opportunity to weave them in when the story was at its less dense, but they ignored it.

It would be even worse to attempt this for the next two arcs for different reasons. Dream arc is the most acclaimed part of the manga, any changes to the story is a terrible idea. Stars arc needs to address so many things before it even begins to deal with the subject of the Shitennou...


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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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No. For starters, the Shitennou subplot was one of the biggest mistakes of Crystal's entire production. I have a feeling that the writer and director for S1&2 realized this having dropped any reference of them in the Black Moon arc (there were plenty of opportunities). They had plenty of opportunity to weave them in when the story was at its less dense, but they ignored it.

It would be even worse to attempt this for the next two arcs for different reasons. Dream arc is the most acclaimed part of the manga, any changes to the story is a terrible idea. Stars arc needs to address so many things before it even begins to deal with the subject of the Shitennou...



Very well said, Seira Hazuki! I agree with you completely.

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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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Persnaly I don'tt think the Crystal staff thought the shitenou thing was mistake . I think the season's scripts were done a long time ago .So any references to it was never plan in begin with. ( Than again we probably won't know for certains unless we see the originals script)


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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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Persnaly I don'tt think the Crystal staff thought the shitenou thing was mistake . I think the season's scripts were done a long time ago .So any references to it was never plan in begin with. ( Than again we probably won't know for certains unless we see the originals script)

I absolutely agree with you.
I don't think the writers regretted their choice to change DK: the changes were so important and I think they carefully thought of it and CHOSE it (I also think that Naoko Takeuchi was somehow involved in this change, giving her "OK").
The point is that, adapting the manga act after act the way they did left no place to any further development: so, the Sen/Shi thing was a bit "compressed", but overall the writers made a good job (they couldn't do much more with a 1:1 adaptation).
With BM and Infinity, of course, the writers focused on the plot, following the manga. It will happen also with Dream and Stars! To me, forgetting a major plot point of DK is a matter of laziness and poor writing: when it will come to Mars' dream in Dream, adapting it exactly as the manga wouldn't work 100% with the canon Mars/Jadeite THEY CREATED (it needs a slight change to keep the continuity along the arcs; I don't mean a PLOT continuity but a CHARACTER continuity: what Crystal lacked is the continuity about the Senshi's characters, to me, because of the changes made in DK and then forgotten).
It isn't a matter of "regretting" the changes but a matter of laziness and sometimes lacking in characters' deepness and continuity.
About the chance for the Senshi to fall in love with the Shitennou in the new timelife, well, it's the same of Mamoru and Usagi: kindred souls separated by a tragic destiny in their past life but reborn to meet again. :love: If the Shitennou were still alive, I don't find strange to have them falling in love with the Senshi all over again (like Usagi and Mamoru). I am pretty sure about it.
A little cameo of the Shitennou at Mamoru and Usagi's wedding would be fine, to me: perfect closing of a circle.
Ok. That's all. I won't talk any more about this topic.


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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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Again, they had plenty of easy and simple opportunities to present the Sen x Shi romance after the Dark Kingdom arc, but they chose not to. It doesn't matter how compressed the manga is, the Dark Kingdom arc had no room for the romance either, yet they chose to change so many details in an attempt to make it work.

As incompetent as Crystal's staff is, it's ridiculous to think they actually forgot to add in the Shitennou in later arcs. They either a) regret they made the choice of writing in a romance b) they felt that the romance was wrapped up in the Dark Kingdom arc and that there's nothing left to be said c) the subplot wasn't received well and someone in Toei intervened (I wouldn't surprised considering how Japanese fans were pissed when the original anime paired Ami up with Ryo). Considering the key staff has changed, it's just unrealistic to see any more shipping. And thank god for that!

Anyway, I personally just ignore what transpired in Season 1 of Crystal, and just treat S2&3 as if they were following the first arc of Naoko's original manga.


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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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It would also be so bizarre to see a show with so many pairings crammed into one series.


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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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Again, they had plenty of easy and simple opportunities to present the Sen x Shi romance after the Dark Kingdom arc, but they chose not to. It doesn't matter how compressed the manga is, the Dark Kingdom arc had no room for the romance either, yet they chose to change so many details in an attempt to make it work.

As incompetent as Crystal's staff is, it's ridiculous to think they actually forgot to add in the Shitennou in later arcs. They either a) regret they made the choice of writing in a romance b) they felt that the romance was wrapped up in the Dark Kingdom arc and that there's nothing left to be said c) the subplot wasn't received well and someone in Toei intervened (I wouldn't surprised considering how Japanese fans were pissed when the original anime paired Ami up with Ryo). Considering the key staff has changed, it's just unrealistic to see any more shipping. And thank god for that!

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Who said they forgot ? It was probably never meant to be an ongoing thing . There no proof that toei intervene , that's nothing but speculation. The thing is while the Dark kingdom arc was airing . There probably were already making the black moon arc.Episodes take 2 to 3 months to finish. It wasn't' like hey look they were going to do some references . But they decided to cut it out in last minute. Because of episode 12 .


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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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Stars arc needs to address so many things before it even begins to deal with the subject of the Shitennou...


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This is a good point.


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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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As much as I'm cool on Senshi/Shitennou, I feel that with Crystal, it would be too crowded of a cast for a good story, especially with so few episodes. I feel like they'd just be pushed into the background or really only show up for battles like with Tuxedo Mask later in the original anime. If there were more episodes in each arc, maybe, but it would still be a very crowded cast.

I don't think it would be too many characters. Lots of shows have a large cast and I think the Shitennou returning and becoming Tuxedo Mask's team would be really cool. As for the Senshi/Shitennou relationships I am not really a fan. Besides I ship Makoto and Asanuma anyway.

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If you ask me if they're just going to be around for the sake of shipping them with inners for a symmetrical romance then the answer is always no :|

I'd be fine if they had a more important purpose like helping chiba when he needs support in a similar fashion that the inners do for Usagi, they would take on more of a spiritual form rather than physical because of what happened to them during dark kingdom.

Bottom line: Sen X Shi = do not want

Support for endy boy without having the shipping and allowing the inners to find new lovers and not live completely bound to the past outside of protecting the princess = want

And I hope to Serenity they leave Dream arc as is from the manga it doesn't need any changes

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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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magic713 wrote:
As much as I'm cool on Senshi/Shitennou, I feel that with Crystal, it would be too crowded of a cast for a good story, especially with so few episodes. I feel like they'd just be pushed into the background or really only show up for battles like with Tuxedo Mask later in the original anime. If there were more episodes in each arc, maybe, but it would still be a very crowded cast.

I don't think it would be too many characters. Lots of shows have a large cast

I'm talking about more along the lines of developing characters and relationships in so few episodes. Yes, shows can have large casts, but I'm talking pairing, and I haven't seen shows with so many pairings at once. It would become either too formula, or fans will say one pairing or character(s) didn't get the attention they thought they deserved.


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 Post subject: Re: Should the Shitennou come back?
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Depends. I wouldn't mind them coming back to do more with Mamoru (maybe they could worry over his condition in the Dream arc?), but I'd rather them not return for more romance.

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Persnaly I don'tt think the Crystal staff thought the shitenou thing was mistake . I think the season's scripts were done a long time ago .So any references to it was never plan in begin with. ( Than again we probably won't know for certains unless we see the originals script)

If they never planned to do more with them to begin with, it makes you wonder why they bothered attempting a romantic subplot with them.


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If you ask me if they're just going to be around for the sake of shipping them with inners for a symmetrical romance then the answer is always no:| I'd be fine if they had a more important purpose like helping chiba when he needs support in a similar fashion that the inners do for Usagi, they would take on more of a spiritual form rather than physical because of what happened to them during dark kingdom.

Bottom line: Sen X Shi = do not want

Support for endy boy without having the shipping and allowing the inners to find new lovers and not live completely bound to the past outside of protecting the princess = want


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If you ask me if they're just going to be around for the sake of shipping them with inners for a symmetrical romance then the answer is always no :|

I'd be fine if they had a more important purpose like helping chiba when he needs support in a similar fashion that the inners do for Usagi, they would take on more of a spiritual form rather than physical because of what happened to them during dark kingdom.

Bottom line: Sen X Shi = do not want

Support for endy boy without having the shipping and allowing the inners to find new lovers and not live completely bound to the past outside of protecting the princess = want

And I hope to Serenity they leave Dream arc as is from the manga it doesn't need any changes

I agree Rose personally I am not a Sen/Shi fan. I think that there are other pairings for both Senshi and Shitennou that are cooler like Makoto/Asanuma, Zoisite/Kunzite etc.

That being said I would love for the Shitennou to be brought back as Tuxedo Mask's team. I just do not support Senshi/Shitennou.

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I just do not support Senshi/Shitennou.


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I don't like Shitennou x Senshi relationships,so hope they shouldn't come back.Or they come,but not take senshis to be their girlfriends

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Again, they had plenty of easy and simple opportunities to present the Sen x Shi romance after the Dark Kingdom arc, but they chose not to. It doesn't matter how compressed the manga is, the Dark Kingdom arc had no room for the romance either, yet they chose to change so many details in an attempt to make it work.

As incompetent as Crystal's staff is, it's ridiculous to think they actually forgot to add in the Shitennou in later arcs. They either a) regret they made the choice of writing in a romance b) they felt that the romance was wrapped up in the Dark Kingdom arc and that there's nothing left to be said c) the subplot wasn't received well and someone in Toei intervened (I wouldn't surprised considering how Japanese fans were pissed when the original anime paired Ami up with Ryo). Considering the key staff has changed, it's just unrealistic to see any more shipping. And thank god for that!

Anyway, I personally just ignore what transpired in Season 1 of Crystal, and just treat S2&3 as if they were following the first arc of Naoko's original manga.

Why were the Japanese fans pissed when Ami was paired up with Ryo I thought that was a pretty popular Sailor Moon pairing. They were even referenced to be together in Sailor Moon Another Story.

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Personally I want the Shitennou back, I love them and miss them in the later arcs/seasons, but I don't necessarily want them to come back just so they could re-establish their past romances with the Inner Senshis, even though I must confess I do like the idea of seeing Ami & Zoisite together as a couple :D BUT I don't want the Shitennou back just so they could become the love interests of the Inner Senshis, they were Prince Endymion's guards and soldiers in their past lives, so I would like them to return and fight alongside Tuxedo Mask/Endymion/Mamoru again and the Sailor Senshis, I don't want them to return just as love interests necessarily. I think it would be nice to have the Shitennous revived and assist Tuxedo Mask and the Senshis in their fight against evil. Or maybe just have their spirits appear occasionally and show Mamoru consulting the Shitennou's spirits more often. Mamoru doesn't even talk to the Shitennous anymore in Crystal, I think the last time we saw him interacting with their spirit forms was during the Black Moon arc. I don't remember him ever interacting with them again in season 3, which is disappointing.

I want the Shitennou back, I miss them a lot! :sadeyes:

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Its pretty much impossible to have Shittennou around and battle alongside Endymion and Senshi with the way Crystal adaptation is going (basically almost page by page faithful)

The best solution i see is to summon them during the near-coronation moment in Dream and - just like the Quartet promises to be at Chibiusa's side one day - the generals could also say something along the lines of "Prince, one day we will also return to be by your side" before they leave


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While I don't necessarily want the Shitennou to be revived so they could physically fight alongside Tuxedo Mask and the Sailor Senshis (although I would love for that to happen), but just being able to see them again in any shape or form would suffice for me, for example like I said they could show Mamoru interacting with the Shitennou's spirits more often, such as when he needs help he could consult their spirits for their assistance like he has done before during the Black Moon arc.

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Absolutely yes, but maybe when stars arc or usagi's wedding, because if they still alive what are they gonna do next? And i ship shitenou-senshi love relationship because they are senshi's real soulmate. When usagi has love life with mamo chan who reincarnating from the past life why the senshi couldn't? Oh, Come on...


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I am a big Senshi/Shitennou fan so I really hope so.
IF it will happen, it should happen in the Cauldron, when everybody else is revived. Or they could be showed by the Senshi's side at Mamoru and Usagi's wedding, in the last scene of the manga. To me, it would be a natural closing of a circle, without affecting the plot of Dream and Stars.
I dream of it but I think it won't happen ^_^'
I am happy Crystal added the Senshi/Shitennou thing (it could have been done in a better way, though) and I image the Shitennou coming back after Stars, no matter if it will be showed or not. :love:
Actually, I am eagerly waiting for Dream: the new character design (I think they are having a change of staff), Helios, the Golden Crystal, the Senshi as Princesses. Who knows, due the focus of Dream on the Senshi, I still hope for some hints of the Senshi's past love stories along the acts focused on each Senshi (a way to give each story a unique touch): of course, it won't happen 'cause the past staffs working on Crystal had some issue with continuity (and poor writing), so the Senshi/Shitennou romance felt something thrown in the middle but not used in its potential.

(they are not even able to keep the continuity with Neo Queen Serenity's hair and Princess Serenity's dress :P )


I am a hardcore shipper senshi shitenou too, and like your idea :love:


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Just look what happened to PGSM. They look like a bunch of ghost stalkers. :grey:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:59 pm 
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Luna Nova
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Nope. I'm very uninterested in the idea of the Shitennou being with the Inners, in fact I'm not keen on any of the inners being in relationships.

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