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 Post subject: Re: Would a guy who's into children anime girls be a phedophile?
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Well, considering there's tons of Sailor Moon porn out there (and she's only 14 when she looks 18), I don't personally see a problem with it. All of the Sailor Senshi look much older than they actually are.

Characters like Chibiusa, Hotaru, Chibi Chibi, etc. could still posed a problem, tho. l o l

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Well, considering there's tons of Sailor Moon porn out there (and she's only 14 when she looks 18), I don't personally see a problem with it. All of the Sailor Senshi look much older than they actually are.

Characters like Chibiusa, Hotaru, Chibi Chibi, etc. could still posed a problem, tho. l o l


Maybe. I think it would depend on how they're drawn. As their present state in the manga/anime, or as adults in the future.


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This thread has become irrelevant as I know longer care about Sailor Saturn.

Instead I fell for Rosette Christopher :love: .
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Paratrooper Lirelou wrote:
This thread has become irrelevant as I know longer care about Sailor Saturn.

Even tho this thread is no longer relevant to you, its starter, now, it could still be relevant for others. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Would a guy who's into children anime girls be a phedophile?
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Fictional characters do not have rights. As long as you're not attracted to real children, I don't think it counts.

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Fictional characters do not have rights. As long as you're not attracted to real children, I don't think it counts.

This thread is now useless.I could care less of Sailor Saturn, there plenty of other characters who defeat her and I no longer like her.


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Fictional characters do not have rights. As long as you're not attracted to real children, I don't think it counts.

This thread is now useless.I could care less of Sailor Saturn, there plenty of other characters who defeat her and I no longer like her.

Like what I've said here before, that a thread is no longer relevant to you doesn't mean it's useless, even if it's you who started that thread. :wink:

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I will admit I feel a bit embarassed for having a crush on a 12 year old girl in anime(Y'all know who it is!) and for masturbating to her. I will be blunt, I hate phedophiles and feel that all should be executed. But since I am so attracted to a 12-year old, I am beginning to feel embarassed as that would fit the definition of being a phedophile. Seriously(and THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION!) since I am so attracted to Ms. Satrun and masturbate to her does this make me a phedophile?I feel like shooting myself for having such an obssessive attraction and masturbating to a pre-teen girl!


Hentai/Anime is totally different from reality. It be a different scenario if you were referring to real girls. But like Rika-Chicchi said, you should be on the look-out for the feelings changing in the future. It's anime, and the fact is, most of the animes honestly make their girls look like they're 20! No 12 year-old..least that I know..has boobs the size of watermelons. I wouldn't get so worked up about it :)

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Well this is tricky. If you are attracted to a child then ya it is a child , even if it is real life , simulated , animated or thought a child is a child. Soooooo I think it is disgusting . Then again she is not real but the fact is she is a child and you obviously know and consider her a child or you would not be asking this question.....so yes I find it weird and nasty ^_^~

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 Post subject: Re: Would a guy who's into children anime girls be a phedophile?
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Due to the insanity of sexual laws, it is illegal in many countries (including the USA) to view naked or "sexually suggestive" images of anyone who "appears" to be under 18 years of age. Yes, that's right, their real age doesn't matter, neither does it matter if they don't exist in real life. So, yes, you can be put into prison for possessing anime of naked characters that look young.

In the summer of 2010, in a Swedish case that has been the cause of wild discussion on the web, a serious manga collector was convicted for owning a, in comparison to his total collection, very small amount of sexually suggestive images of characters appearing to be under the age of 18. The point about violation of free speech has indeed been raised.

Which I'm sure makes life even more difficult for people who have legitimate developmental disorders that make them appear pre-pubescent.....

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 Post subject: Re: Would a guy who's into children anime girls be a phedophile?
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Well this is tricky. If you are attracted to a child then ya it is a child , even if it is real life , simulated , animated or thought a child is a child. Soooooo I think it is disgusting . Then again she is not real but the fact is she is a child and you obviously know and consider her a child or you would not be asking this question.....so yes I find it weird and nasty ^_^~

How about those who only love to fantasize themselves as kids being molested or sexually assaulted by pedos? :P

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Due to the insanity of sexual laws, it is illegal in many countries (including the USA) to view naked or "sexually suggestive" images of anyone who "appears" to be under 18 years of age. Yes, that's right, their real age doesn't matter, neither does it matter if they don't exist in real life. So, yes, you can be put into prison for possessing anime of naked characters that look young.

In the summer of 2010, in a Swedish case that has been the cause of wild discussion on the web, a serious manga collector was convicted for owning a, in comparison to his total collection, very small amount of sexually suggestive images of characters appearing to be under the age of 18. The point about violation of free speech has indeed been raised.

So technically one can't even draw pictures of naked or sexually depicted kids behind closed doors even tho s/he won't sell or show them to other people.

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Which I'm sure makes life even more difficult for people who have legitimate developmental disorders that make them appear pre-pubescent.....

What if one has a fetish to dress up his/her (adult) sexual partners like kids during sex, especially those who look like kids, whether due to developmental disorders of not? P-:

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 Post subject: Re: Would a guy who's into children anime girls be a phedophile?
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Well....One documentary featured a brothel in Nevada, where one of the hookers looks 12 (she's really 21). Obviously any customer who picks her is a pedophile, but they all figure it's better for her customers to go to her than the alternative. Oh, and it turns out she's married.

What does that say about her spouse?

Then there is the case of Carlos Alfredo Simon-Timmerman, a New Yorker who was prosecuted in Puerto Rico for possession of a pornographic video depicting a woman in her mid 20s. The porn star had to travel internationally (from Venezuela) to testify in his defense before the court would even consider that she was over 14.

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Well....One documentary featured a brothel in Nevada, where one of the hookers looks 12 (she's really 21). Obviously any customer who picks her is a pedophile, but they all figure it's better for her customers to go to her than the alternative. Oh, and it turns out she's married.

What does that say about her spouse?

Then there is the case of Carlos Alfredo Simon-Timmerman, a New Yorker who was prosecuted in Puerto Rico for possession of a pornographic video depicting a woman in her mid 20s. The porn star had to travel internationally (from Venezuela) to testify in his defense before the court would even consider that she was over 14.

It's understandable why the laws stipulate that the look of the featured persons alone is sufficient to determine whether a porn material is pedo, since it's technically difficult/impossible to prove the actual age of those persons at the time. So if a 12-y.o. person who looked like a 21-y.o. is shown in a porn material, which doesn't claim that s/he was under-aged, then it won't be legally challenged unless there're other evidences showing that the person was under-aged. :P

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Due to the insanity of sexual laws, it is illegal in many countries (including the USA) to view naked or "sexually suggestive" images of anyone who "appears" to be under 18 years of age. Yes, that's right, their real age doesn't matter, neither does it matter if they don't exist in real life. So, yes, you can be put into prison for possessing anime of naked characters that look young.


I think that's kind of stupid, especially for older fans like myself who viewed animes like this back then. No one should be punished for that.


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Due to the insanity of sexual laws, it is illegal in many countries (including the USA) to view naked or "sexually suggestive" images of anyone who "appears" to be under 18 years of age. Yes, that's right, their real age doesn't matter, neither does it matter if they don't exist in real life. So, yes, you can be put into prison for possessing anime of naked characters that look young.


I think that's kind of stupid, especially for older fans like myself who viewed animes like this back then. No one should be punished for that.

I fear for my friend who reads things like Negima!.

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Due to the insanity of sexual laws, it is illegal in many countries (including the USA) to view naked or "sexually suggestive" images of anyone who "appears" to be under 18 years of age. Yes, that's right, their real age doesn't matter, neither does it matter if they don't exist in real life. So, yes, you can be put into prison for possessing anime of naked characters that look young.


I think that's kind of stupid, especially for older fans like myself who viewed animes like this back then. No one should be punished for that.

I fear for my friend who reads things like Negima!.

Yeah, it's bordering on, if not already, affecting the freedom of expression & artistic creation. The right balance/line is always difficult to determine/draw, & it also depends on the various situations in the particular country/region, hence the different laws regarding that around the world & the lack of an international legal consensus especially on the less hardcore cases. I think the related Japanese laws are still among the most lenient ones, even tho they've continuously been tightening over the years since around the end of the last century. :)

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I think the related Japanese laws are still among the most lenient ones, even tho they've continuously been tightening over the years since around the end of the last century. :)

You mean like Bill 156 Rika? 4chan, especially /a/, has been fuming over the ruling, which is understandable, considering the side effects it will cause. (For one, with all suggestive content being removed from shows aimed at children, which is surprisingly a lot, several animation studios will be bankrupted from having to relocate outside Tokyo, causing unemployment rates to skyrocket, harming the Japanese economy due to the impact on exporting anime and manga, fueling hostilities between traditionalist and otaku cultures in Japan, leading to civil unrest, and... well maybe it won't be that bad... or will it?).

More here folks: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/1 ... an-passes/ (link NSFW, but you are in the hentai section.... :mischief: )

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I think the related Japanese laws are still among the most lenient ones, even tho they've continuously been tightening over the years since around the end of the last century. :)

You mean like Bill 156 Rika? 4chan, especially /a/, has been fuming over the ruling, which is understandable, considering the side effects it will cause. (For one, with all suggestive content being removed from shows aimed at children, which is surprisingly a lot, several animation studios will be bankrupted from having to relocate outside Tokyo, causing unemployment rates to skyrocket, harming the Japanese economy due to the impact on exporting anime and manga, fueling hostilities between traditionalist and otaku cultures in Japan, leading to civil unrest, and... well maybe it won't be that bad... or will it?).

More here folks: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/1 ... an-passes/ (link NSFW, but you are in the hentai section.... :mischief: )

I was referring to the related national laws passed by the parliament in the country over the years rather than the local laws passed by the legislature in the capital recently, tho. :wink:

BTW, I've often joked since about a decade ago that the entertainment & porn industries are now the major pillars of the Japanese economy - I was half-joking back then, but nowadays it seems to have become more & more real. l o l

Nowadays even a right-wing hawkish politician (a former PM) has to lead a delegation of manga/anime industry leaders to my country to promote their manga/anime products - just as it's already begun to develop its own indigenous manga/anime industry w/ govt. sponsorship, & the theme of the current communist party central committee meeting is set to discuss the strategies to develop the traditional & pop cultural industries/markets both domestically & for exports. The Japanese should've come more than a decade ago! *sigh*

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Due to the insanity of sexual laws, it is illegal in many countries (including the USA) to view naked or "sexually suggestive" images of anyone who "appears" to be under 18 years of age. Yes, that's right, their real age doesn't matter, neither does it matter if they don't exist in real life. So, yes, you can be put into prison for possessing anime of naked characters that look young.

In the summer of 2010, in a Swedish case that has been the cause of wild discussion on the web, a serious manga collector was convicted for owning a, in comparison to his total collection, very small amount of sexually suggestive images of characters appearing to be under the age of 18. The point about violation of free speech has indeed been raised.

Which I'm sure makes life even more difficult for people who have legitimate developmental disorders that make them appear pre-pubescent.....


Is it just me or does it seem like the only people get arrested is if they order lolicon/hentai and Customs gets note of it or if they find it during a routine traffic stop (This actually did happen).


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Due to the insanity of sexual laws, it is illegal in many countries (including the USA) to view naked or "sexually suggestive" images of anyone who "appears" to be under 18 years of age. Yes, that's right, their real age doesn't matter, neither does it matter if they don't exist in real life. So, yes, you can be put into prison for possessing anime of naked characters that look young.

In the summer of 2010, in a Swedish case that has been the cause of wild discussion on the web, a serious manga collector was convicted for owning a, in comparison to his total collection, very small amount of sexually suggestive images of characters appearing to be under the age of 18. The point about violation of free speech has indeed been raised.

Which I'm sure makes life even more difficult for people who have legitimate developmental disorders that make them appear pre-pubescent.....


Is it just me or does it seem like the only people get arrested is if they order lolicon/hentai and Customs gets note of it or if they find it during a routine traffic stop (This actually did happen).

I guess both. :) Another possibility is that the law enforcement comes across w/ those materials while searching or being in a special mission for something else.

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Pedophiles are bad, right? There are few things you'll get more agreement on than that, especially when they're open about it. But sometimes the damaging nature of pedophilia is glossed over and played for laughs or as being harmless = Lolicon.

Put simply, a lolicon is a pedophile. But instead of the usual villainous or disgusting attitude normally attributed to one, they are instead treated as being a little creepy, but ultimately harmless. Instead of being played to repulse the audience, a lolicon is normally a humorous figure. Because of Western media views (which I mention above), you are highly unlikely to see a Lolicon outside of Japan derived works such as Anime, Visual Novels or Video Games.

Note: Despite this being largely a Japanese thing, it does not actually signify that the Japanese are more approving of pedophilia. On the contrary, the Japanese are just as disapproving as Western countries. Thus, calling yourself a lolicon in real life would be a bad idea if you were visiting Japan, as in normal conversation it does simply mean pedophile. Adding on to that, not all pedophiles in a Japanese work are lolicons.

Now what about Shotacon? Shotacon (frequently shortened to shota) is a Japanese term referring to a fetish regarding young boys, or boys that attract such fetishization. Originally popularized in BL fandom as the bishonen aesthetic taken to its natural extreme, but more generally refers to an attraction to a male character around 13 years old or less. Comes in hetero-sex and same-sex flavors, and is found in both female-oriented (especially Boys' Love Genre) and male-oriented works.

The earliest Boys' Love Genre manga of the early 1970s featured love affairs between early-teen boys, but were marketed to (female) readers of the same age. Shotacon first became an identifiable genre in the Boys' Love Genre doujinshi community of the early 1980's, but the idea was quickly picked up by male fans (who took it in a substantially different direction). By the early 1990s, when the name was standardized, the male shotacon doujinshi community was about the same size as the Boys' Love Genre shotacon doujinshi community.

Currently, Japanese fans and publishers use term shonen ai (boy's love) to designate specialty shotacon works (for either gender, although it is more commonly used for male-oriented works), which is at variance with its general Western meaning of nonexplicit Boys' Love Genre. Works marketed specifically as shotacon vary substantially by gender target: Boys Love shonen ai shotacon is generally romantic, may or may not be explicit, and follows Boys Love tropes; shonen ai shotacon for men is usually sexually explicit, tends to overlap heavily with Futanari and Lolicon, and typically features lots of crossdressing.

Shotacon is also used as a theme in works for a more general audience, where it tends to be less controversial than Lolicon. In works aimed at a female audience, it's typically played for moe fanservice, or to characterize someone as a perv or Yaoi fan. In works for a male audience it's typically played for humor; because boys are stereotypically more obsessed with sex, shotacon themes are generally intended to sexualize the woman, rather than the boy who is the target of her affection. So it pops up in shonen a lot, even if those boys are on the technical borderline; some readers find the idea of physical encounters with older women enticing, while others like the aggressive female characters usually involved. If a show has an aggressive, sex-hungry lady with an annoying laugh, she's the most likely candidate, although usually only if potential male targets are very limited.

Hope that clears up any potential questions.

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^ If you were writing an assignment or answering an exam question w/ that, you wouldn't get high marks (if I were your marker/examiner, I might even give a fail grade l o l ), since you didn't accurately answer the question in an up-to-the-point manner. :P

It's not advisable to just throw stuff from whatever sources you've found into your comments on a particular topic, & the more informational/background-oriented materials can just be linked out to your sources, while you focus more on your own original ideas, opinions, & arguments. :wink:

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Pedophiles are bad, right? There are few things you'll get more agreement on than that, especially when they're open about it. But sometimes the damaging nature of pedophilia is glossed over and played for laughs or as being harmless = Lolicon.


Technically, there's nothing wrong with being the dictionary definition of a pedophile, i.e. an adult who's sexually attracted to children. It's abnormal and creepy as all hell, but committing thoughtcrimes isn't illegal. The real problem is if you put thoughts into action and become a bonafide child molester. That is bad. :x


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Pedophiles are bad, right? There are few things you'll get more agreement on than that, especially when they're open about it. But sometimes the damaging nature of pedophilia is glossed over and played for laughs or as being harmless = Lolicon.


Technically, there's nothing wrong with being the dictionary definition of a pedophile, i.e. an adult who's sexually attracted to children. It's abnormal and creepy as all hell, but committing thoughtcrimes isn't illegal. The real problem is if you put thoughts into action and become a bonafide child molester. That is bad. :x

Yes, because that will actually hurt someone.

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Would a guy who's into children anime girls be a phedophile?


Not really.
Sailor Moon was made in '92, the characters were born in '78.
The age of consent in Japan is '13'.
The girls in SM would be 30 now and they're cartoons so they don't even exist.

I'd say it's alright ;)

Rei has nice legs & Minako is a cutie pie so fap away brother! Lmao!

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 Post subject: Re: Would a guy who's into children anime girls be a phedophile?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:53 am 
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Leo Hino wrote:
Rei has nice legs & Minako is a cutie pie so fap away brother!

Just quoting a quotable quote. =^_^=

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 Post subject: Re: Would a guy who's into children anime girls be a pedophile?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:49 am 
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I've always found "sex laws" to be completely stupid and useless. They are nothing but a power grab by moralists. Sexuality is such a personal thing that is expressed/means something different to every person. No legislative authority should be able to make laws governing the sexuality/sex acts of consenting people.

The only type of "sex law" I think is needed is a law protecting small children from abuse (like a 50 year old person having sex with a 5 year old person).

Teenagers have all the equipment and hormones for sex. If it is their consenting opinion that they wish to have sex, why should anyone get involved? What if someone wishes to consent to homosexual sex (there were laws against this for many years in the US)?

It wasn't that long ago that there was no real "adolescence" and people were married off at 15 years of age (which means they were having sex!). All these laws do is reflect what the mentality of the authority is at that point in time. "Yeah, we all of a sudden decided that if you are 21 you can't have sex in the [insert position] position. 21 year old people just shouldn't be doing that".

That's why these laws make absolutely no sense. These laws are all about control and the legislators can change their minds about what they think is immoral every five minutes. This doesn't reflect an actual problem that needs taken care of (like laws against murder). You cannot legislate morality. All you are doing is making perfectly normal people into criminals.

Also, the characters of SM (aside from Chibi Usa, Hotaru, etc.) are all drawn to look much older than they are. You are not fantasizing about a child when you look at them. I don't buy the argument that even though they look over 18 but they are actually under 18 then you are a pedophile and like little girls. Enjoy your Hentai!!

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 Post subject: Re: Would a guy who's into children anime girls be a pedophile?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:55 am 
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Healing_Sailor_Saturn wrote:
I've always found "sex laws" to be completely stupid and useless. They are nothing but a power grab by moralists. Sexuality is such a personal thing that is expressed/means something different to every person. No legislative authority should be able to make laws governing the sexuality/sex acts of consenting people.

The only type of "sex law" I think is needed is a law protecting small children from abuse (like a 50 year old person having sex with a 5 year old person).

Teenagers have all the equipment and hormones for sex. If it is their consenting opinion that they wish to have sex, why should anyone get involved? What if someone wishes to consent to homosexual sex (there were laws against this for many years in the US)?

It wasn't that long ago that there was no real "adolescence" and people were married off at 15 years of age (which means they were having sex!). All these laws do is reflect what the mentality of the authority is at that point in time. "Yeah, we all of a sudden decided that if you are 21 you can't have sex in the [insert position] position. 21 year old people just shouldn't be doing that".

That's why these laws make absolutely no sense. These laws are all about control and the legislators can change their minds about what they think is immoral every five minutes. This doesn't reflect an actual problem that needs taken care of (like laws against murder). You cannot legislate morality. All you are doing is making perfectly normal people into criminals.

Also, the characters of SM (aside from Chibi Usa, Hotaru, etc.) are all drawn to look much older than they are. You are not fantasizing about a child when you look at them. I don't buy the argument that even though they look over 18 but they are actually under 18 then you are a pedophile and like little girls. Enjoy your Hentai!!


all the teen charaters look older then there age anyways and if u go by there b-days they are in there 20's or 30's :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Would a guy who's into children anime girls be a pedophile?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:41 am 
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Sailor Swifty wrote:

all the teen charaters look older then there age anyways and if u go by there b-days they are in there 20's or 30's :lol:


Exactly, Sailor Swifty. :)

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