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Found this on youtube and thought it sounded similar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgNTHyo8CeY

This too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqERbCkbScw

http://wikimoon.org/index.php?title=Sayonara_wa_Dance_no_Ato_ni


While I do have known about that duo, I didn't know about that song by them.

The first one is really nice!
But the second one is not just the same song...it has also many moves from Sera Muy's choreography!!!

I found this, it sounds very similar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vXCtgaaHf4

the songs are all beautiful, the melody is all beautiful

It's got similarities in its melody & structure.

This is exactly the same as Moonlight Densetsu. What the hell is going on? Someone explain this!

Now it's obvious that the same melody of that KEY WEST CLUB single was used for the Sailor Moon opening theme - it's not bootlegging or what, as that was properly arranged & the composer is actually the same person.

Even if the composer's the same, it means that Moonlight Densetsu is not an original song, it's only a cover! It's not a unique song, specifically written for Sailor Moon.

Yup, it's a melody cover, but the lyrics are still original for the show.

You mean Moonlight Densetsu sounds like Sayonara, right? Because the latter song is from the 60s. Rumors are the melody from Moonlight was inspired by Sayonara's melody.



Well now, this really doesn't settle right with me for some reason. Moonlight Densetsu is a recycled song?

it's weird...

KEY WEST CLUB released their version after the debut of Sailormoon. release date of their single was September 21, 1992. release of Sailormoon anime was March 7, 1992.

but there's a bit of discussion regarding the connection and the same composer under the Japanese wiki for the Moonlight Densetsu/Heart Moving single that i don't fully understand. from my limited understanding, i'm thinking that the song was composed for Sailormoon, but was later given to the idol group to perform with different lyrics??

OMG OMG OMG IT SAYS TETSUYA KOMURO COMPOSED MOONLIGHT DENSETSU OMG OMG ALL MY FEELS AH I EFFING LOVE TK

Edit: ._. Nevermind, it's a different dude named Tetsuya Komoro... One syllable off

While the melodies of the two songs contain similar components, they aren't identical nor almost identical. I can't rule out that the composer was influenced/inspired by that older song, tho.


I wouldn't say "recycled" outright, tho, since the timing is so close - I'd say the same composer's work was used for the two at about the same time.


That doesn't mean much, tho, since it's just around half a year.


Refer to what I've just said above in this post.


It does say "Komuro," tho, but I personally don't think the composer is actually him, even tho I don't have proofs either way (can't rule out that the two composers could be related in some ways, tho). In any case, the composer is pretty mysterious. lol

i want to say i've read something somewhere where Naoko makes a direct connection between the two songs, but i read it ages ago and can no longer tell if that even is true. hahah


i read it, but it didn't seem very clearly worded to me... even if it's "just" around half a year, i think it still points to Sailormoon being the first one, and the idol group possibly riding on the popularity of the song from the anime? it doesn't make any sense to me if the idol song was the original but was released 6 months afterwards?

besides, it also seems there's some connection between that idol group and Sakurakko Club, who sang... La Soldier on that musical single. there's obviously some sort of connection. my Japanese just isn't good enough to read that source accurately. (mostly because it's definitely saying it's the same melody, and that one was a cover of the other but it just seems weird to me.)


u sure? my dictionary gives the reading for that second kanji as "moro," but i know name kanji can sometimes be weird...

Dunno about it if that's true.


Since their release dates are so close, we can't say exactly how & when the decisions & arragements concerned were actually made behind the scenes - what we know is only that the dates are different, but that can't reflect the actual order of those deliberations since the dates are so close.


KEY WEST CLUB is a subgroup of Sakurakko Club [Sakura Group], i.e. the members of the former double as the ones of the latter - does that make some sense?


"室" is pronounced & written in romaji as "muro."

yeah of course, but the dates do mean that most people probably heard Moonlight Densetsu before Yume...nantoka and so in the public conscience (which is kinda all we have to go off of here, i think, 'cause you're right, who the hell knows what went on behind the scenes) that the idol song is a cover. i mean if it's written/composed/arranged/etc by the same person and they only thing different is the lyrics and singers, is that grounds for considering it to be "covered," anyway? (not sure what other word would be applicable, though.)


yeah i saw that/it made sense. i guess it's just odd that the La Soldier single seems to be credited just to "Sakkurakko Club Sakura Gumi," when that "gumi" is massive and included subgroups like SMAP and TOKIO, who were obviously not singing there.



the above wiki lists his name as 小諸鉄矢, not 小室. different person?


as far as i can tell, it's saying something along the lines of "小諸鉄矢" is a psuedonym parodying 小室哲哉 but isn't actually him. amirite? (didn't really get the phrase including CM NETWORK, tho)

I do agree that "cover" mightn't be a proper word to describe such circumstance, so now I retract my above saying that it's a "melody cover."


OK, now I think I gotta clear that up a bit. Strictly speaking, "Sakurakko Club" isn't referred to the J-pop group, but a musical variety show on TV at the time. However, "Sakurakko Club Sakura Gumi" ("gumi" meaning "group"), which members have performed in that show, is. I understand that the former name has been widely used as a short form for the latter, tho, especially in the Western fandom.


Ah, now I know what you guys have been talking about - sorry for my being so slow. Yes, you're right, that kanji in that composer's name is pronounced "moro" - I've been thinking that you're talking about that other far more famous composer.


It doesn't say that it's not him, tho (I do think it's not, as I've said above), & that latter sentence isn't important here. Also, don't 100% trust a Wiki article. Whether they're really the same person, the parody thing is pretty obvious, tho. BTW, Moonlight Densetsu is the only known song composed by that composer, so I guess his use of that name is just a one-shot thing.

i didn't know Sakurakko Club was a variety show at the time, but it's definitely true that the artist for that particularly single is listed as solely Sakkurako Club Sakura Gumi. (see the cover) i realize i'm heavily referring to wiki because i don't really know otherwise and searching for info in Japanese is still kinda mentally taxing at my level haha, but it's still a massive amount of people!! (even now that i've realized i misread the wiki listing and SMAP/TOKIO weren't included in the list under Sakura Gumi. oops)

so was the cast of the original musical was made up of talento from Sakura Gumi? i mean, i see Anza in the list of Sakura Gumi members, but i don't know any of the other actresses names off the top of my head.

The Wiki articles in general are still good references, tho. They can also serve as a good starting point for further investigations.


I haven't checked every name, but yeah, a number of the musical actresses are the group's members.

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Ah, also refer to this WikiMoon article (should've linked it here earlier ):

http://wikimoon.org/index.php?title=Sakurakko_Club

^ Again, just take it as a reference (WikiMoon articles are generally pretty accurate, tho). Also, as I recall, there're some more actresses in the musicals who're the group's members, other than those listed in the article (guess it only lists the major actresses).