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 Post subject: Re: If the dub was so hard on cleavage...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:06 pm 
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This is because people these days search for things to be offended by so they can rant about it If you have to search you're looking too hard people


This reminds me of the time I was waiting in line for a bus and noticed a black man standing ahead of me that I didn't recall seeing there when I first got on line. So I asked him, "Excuse me, were you standing here before?" For some reason, he interpreted that as, "Yo, you cuttin' in line, n*****?", assumed this swaggering, smug stance, said I was racist, claimed that I accused him of cutting the line just because he was black, and spent the next ten minutes trying to pick a fight with me. :eek:

Yeah, I don't get it, either. Some people like grasping at straws. :?

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I don't even remember the girls showing any cleavage besides the bathtub scene.


Well, Ami had an extensive nude scene in Episode 151 and Usagi in Episode 200, all the girls appeared naked in the SuperS movie after their transformations were compromised, and Luna showed some nipple in the S movie when she was transformed into a human, but I'm not sure how most of those were dealt with in the dub.


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(even if they did refer to it as "funny symbols")


Just so you know, they called it "SYMBOLS", not "funny" symbols. (how many people do I have to correct?! :P)

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I don't even remember the girls showing any cleavage besides the bathtub scene.


Well, Ami had an extensive nude scene in Episode 151 and Usagi in Episode 200, all the girls appeared naked in the SuperS movie after their transformations were compromised, and Luna showed some nipple in the S movie when she was transformed into a human, but I'm not sure how most of those were dealt with in the dub.


In addition to that, during episode 94 (Swept Off Her Feet/Protect the Pure Heart! A Three-Way Battle) of the Sailor Moon S dub, during the scene where Amara, Michelle, Elizabeth, and Serena were talking about first kisses, it shows a scene of two shadow figures, that closely resemble Serena and Darien, kissing. I believe it was cut because (if you look real closely) you could literally see the edge of Serena's nipple.

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(even if they did refer to it as "funny symbols")


Just so you know, they called it "SYMBOLS", not "funny" symbols. (how many people do I have to correct?! :P)

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I don't even remember the girls showing any cleavage besides the bathtub scene.


Well, Ami had an extensive nude scene in Episode 151 and Usagi in Episode 200, all the girls appeared naked in the SuperS movie after their transformations were compromised, and Luna showed some nipple in the S movie when she was transformed into a human, but I'm not sure how most of those were dealt with in the dub.


In addition to that, during episode 94 (Swept Off Her Feet/Protect the Pure Heart! A Three-Way Battle) of the Sailor Moon S dub, during the scene where Amara, Michelle, Elizabeth, and Serena were talking about first kisses, it shows a scene of two shadow figures, that closely resemble Serena and Darien, kissing. I believe it was cut because (if you look real closely) you could literally see the edge of Serena's nipple.


It's not Usagi and Mamoru though. It's supposed to be Adam and Eve. And oh no, a nipple. God forbid.

And also, calling hiragana "symbols" it's still wrong. They are letters. Hiragana is an alphabet.

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calling hiragana "symbols" it's still wrong. They are letters. Hiragana is an alphabet.


Even so, I still sort of understood what they meant...but that was when I was a kid. I never knew what Hiragana, Kanji, or Katakana was really called back then. I definitely wouldn't call it "symbols" today...

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It's not Usagi and Mamoru though. It's supposed to be Adam and Eve. And oh no, a nipple. God forbid.


You're right, it's supposed to be Adam and Eve, but they look a heck of a lot like Usagi and Mamoru. ;)

And showing the nipple is the point of no return in general and one of the more amusing/ridiculous things about human perceptions. A woman's breasts can be 90% visible, but as long as there're some objects covering the nipples and areolae, she's still considered decent. Most anime and manga just make it look like the characters have full body stockings or turns them into Barbie dolls (which is the route that the creators of the Sailor Moon anime went), so seeing actual nipple, even if only in outline, is a bit unusual.


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I've honestly never heard Hiragana, Kanji, or Katakana called "Letters", I always hear "Charcters"


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So I asked him, "Excuse me, were you standing here before?" For some reason, he interpreted that as, "Yo, you cuttin' in line, n*****?"


:loltext: :loltext: :loltext: :loltext: :loltext: :loltext: :loltext: :loltext: :loltext: :loltext: I think I just peed my pants

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sailormoonfanforever wrote:
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calling hiragana "symbols" it's still wrong. They are letters. Hiragana is an alphabet.


Even so, I still sort of understood what they meant...but that was when I was a kid. I never knew what Hiragana, Kanji, or Katakana was really called back then. I definitely wouldn't call it "symbols" today...


I never understood why they couldn't just say "She wrote it in Japanese", or even "She wrote it in a foreign language". Heck a simple "I can't read what she wrote" would've been more appropriate.


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calling hiragana "symbols" it's still wrong. They are letters. Hiragana is an alphabet.


Even so, I still sort of understood what they meant...but that was when I was a kid. I never knew what Hiragana, Kanji, or Katakana was really called back then. I definitely wouldn't call it "symbols" today...


I never understood why they couldn't just say "She wrote it in Japanese", or even "She wrote it in a foreign language". Heck a simple "I can't read what she wrote" would've been more appropriate.


"Her handwriting sucks" "She can't spell for shit" etc. ANYTHING would have been better.

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Wow, after this thread, I've started to notice the cleavage a lot more. Aha

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"She can't spell for shit"


I would've loved to hear Ami's original North American voice actress actually say this. :D


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Minako could create more cleavage than any of the villains if she wanted, but she is too conservative and likes to dress appropriately for her age.


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>Minako
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Nope, lol, god no. Minako struts her stuff when she wants to and there is nothing wrong with that.

If you don't think Minako ever shows skin or dresses sexy, you really don't know much about her at all.

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This is only the artbook imagery and there are plenty more examples in the anime and manga. I fail to see how you think Minako's style is conservative at all. Basically, Minako wears whatever she thinks is cute, and damn whoever thinks her style is too conservative or too liberal.

Also, appropriately for her age? Please, tell me what you think is "appropriate" for a girl like Minako.

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I meant to say classy.


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I meant to say classy.


>Implying girls who show skin or strut their stuff isn't Classy.

Please, keep talking :3

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I'm telling you the only reason Minako doesn't have more cleavage tha n all of the villains is because she doesn't want to. I'm also mostly refering to her Senshi outfit because that is what she meets the villains in.


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I'm telling you the only reason Minako doesn't have more cleavage tha n all of the villains is because she doesn't want to.


You really don't know Minako at all, do you. lol. You should really look at some of those images I showed you.

And do your edit: She didn't get to choose her Sailor Soldier uniform, but she certainly does get to choose her day to day fashions, and they're not as "Conservative" or "classy" as you deny yourself into believing.

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>Implying that the standard Sailor Fuku is "conservative"

You are so terribly mistaken.

I'd stop while you're ahead. Minako is a sexy woman who has no problem emphasizing her sexiness and there's nothing wrong with that.

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I'm telling you the only reason Minako doesn't have more cleavage tha n all of the villains is because she doesn't want to.


You really don't know Minako at all, do you. rantipole. You should really look at some of those images I showed you.

And do your edit: She didn't get to choose her Sailor Soldier uniform, but she certainly does get to choose her day to day fashions, and they're not as "Conservative" or "classy" as you deny yourself into believing.
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>Implying that the standard Sailor Fuku is "conservative"
You are so terribly mistaken.
Minako could modify her Fuku if she wanted and create cleavage to show up the villains.

I thought you said Minako is ordinary looking or something like that. Where do you stand on that? Answer once and for all!


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I'm telling you the only reason Minako doesn't have more cleavage tha n all of the villains is because she doesn't want to.


You really don't know Minako at all, do you. rantipole. You should really look at some of those images I showed you.

And do your edit: She didn't get to choose her Sailor Soldier uniform, but she certainly does get to choose her day to day fashions, and they're not as "Conservative" or "classy" as you deny yourself into believing.
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>Implying that the standard Sailor Fuku is "conservative"
You are so terribly mistaken.
Minako could modify her Fuku if she wanted and create cleavage to show up the villains.

I thought you said Minako is ordinary looking or something like that. Where do you stand on that? Answer once and for all!


You can be ordinary looking and have a sexy figure at the same time. Not a big deal.

I personally think she's gorgeous and feminine, but many of the characters in the series see her as a plain-looking girl, especially compared to Rei, and that's what I meant. Unfortunately for Minako, Rei is the "ideal Japanese beauty" in the series.

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I don't see how long blonde hair, big beautiful blue eyes, long toned legs (for her height), or big boobs make her plain looking. I would think she stands out.


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I don't see how long blonde hair, big beautiful blue eyes, long toned legs (for her height), or big boobs make her plain looking. I would think she stands out.


Because while that's the "ideal western beauty", it's not really the "ideal eastern beauty."

Will you please stop exaggerating Minako's features and attributes? It's really annoying. It's fine to think Minako is beautiful, and strong, and cool, and all, but you derail every freaking thread to emphasize that she's the most beautiful, the most strong, and the most cool. These are opinions and you don't need to ram them down our throats.

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What do you mean? I'll cut down on it a little, Senpai.

Also, Rei would be considered an ideal beauty pretty much anywhere.


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What do you mean? I'll cut down on it a little, Senpai.

Also, Rei would be considered an ideal beauty pretty much anywhere.

What culture wouldn't think this is adorable?

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It makes me laugh... all this 'Protect the children!' stuff that goes on, and the general behaviour of youths seems to be getting worse as the years go on. I noticed it every year when I was still in high school; each new school year when the freshmen would start attending, they'd be louder, more obnoxious and badly behaved than the last bunch.


It's like the saying goes, "The more you outlaw something, the more people will want it." Back when stuff wasn't heavily censored, there wasn't a lot of problems with being perverted, and kids weren't even close to being nearly as bad as they are now. But now things are censored up the ass, and look at them now?

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And also, calling hiragana "symbols" it's still wrong. They are letters. Hiragana is an alphabet.


...And, if I may also ask (this is a little off-topic, but slightly relevant), if calling Kanji or Hiragana is THAT offensive in Sailor Moon, how come, in Power Rangers Samurai, they always called their Kanji, "symbol power", and "symbols" at times, and no one (that I know of) is fussing about that? (just wondering)

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IIRC, probably because the "symbols" in PR Samurai actually do represent specific elements (earth, fire, wind, water, etc). Nobody in the show says the entire alphabet is written in symbols. In Sailor Moon, they did.


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I found it funny as hell that they censored Usagi's slight cleavage in the tub but let this slide. Villains or not, that's absolute cleavage on the center one, drastically more than they cut from Usagi. The outfits, themselves, are just very revealing, even beyond the cleavage. :lol:

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I found it funny as hell that they censored Usagi's slight cleavage in the tub but let this slide. Villains or not, that's absolute cleavage on the center one, drastically more than they cut from Usagi. The outfits, themselves, are just very revealing, even beyond the cleavage. :rantipole:
They could get away with it since they were inhuman beings like aliens, monsters, or whatever.

Human cleavage = bad
Creature cleavage = not as bad, but there is a limit (U-Chouten).

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I found it funny as hell that they censored Usagi's slight cleavage in the tub but let this slide. Villains or not, that's absolute cleavage on the center one, drastically more than they cut from Usagi. The outfits, themselves, are just very revealing, even beyond the cleavage. :rantipole:
They could get away with it since they were inhuman beings like aliens, monsters, or whatever.

Human cleavage = bad
Creature cleavage = not as bad, but there is a limit (U-Chouten).


Even so, it's kind of funny.

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Nowhere near as much cleavage as on the Doom and Gloom girl. :mischief:

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I found it funny as hell that they censored Usagi's slight cleavage in the tub but let this slide. Villains or not, that's absolute cleavage on the center one, drastically more than they cut from Usagi. The outfits, themselves, are just very revealing, even beyond the cleavage. :rantipole:
They could get away with it since they were inhuman beings like aliens, monsters, or whatever.

Human cleavage = bad
Creature cleavage = not as bad, but there is a limit (U-Chouten).


Even so, it's kind of funny.

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Nowhere near as much cleavage as on the Doom and Gloom girl. :mischief:


in the other tub scene, they also edited out her body underwater too


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