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 Post subject: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Since Nehelania's soul went back in time, in the end of her arc in Sailor stars?


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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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I thought her kingdom was restored, as if nothing ever happened (with the Silver Crystal's reality bending powers), but not by sending her back in time.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Mystery Mask wrote:
I thought her kingdom was restored, as if nothing ever happened (with the Silver Crystal's reality bending powers), but not by sending her back in time.

That's also what I recall, & she was just reverted back to a lil girl to have a fresh restart. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Rika-Chicchi wrote:
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I thought her kingdom was restored, as if nothing ever happened (with the Silver Crystal's reality bending powers), but not by sending her back in time.

That's also what I recall, & she was just reverted back to a lil girl to have a fresh restart. :)

Yes, Sailor Moon pretty much pushed the reset button. That's probably the best way to explain it.

That's off-topic, but it makes me wonder if they will use the anime Nehelenia or the manga Nehelenia for the future anime (if it goes that far, hopefully it will). They are pretty much two completely different characters.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Shouldn't the butterfly effect have prevented Usagi from ever being born?


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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Nehellenia got a second chance and was sent back to her childhood in a parallel timeline. The main timeline as we know it, however, still happened.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Nehellenia got a second chance and was sent back to her childhood in a parallel timeline. The main timeline as we know it, however, still happened.

So SuperS still wouldn't have happened in that parallel timeline. lol

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Well, nothing makes sense now.

It's all a dream... It's all just a dream

*rolls for SAN loss*

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Is it to farfetched to think maybe Nehellenia was put into a happy-reedeming-second-chance-sleep by Sailor Moon? Think anime Jadeite "death" but instead of eternal bad sleep - eternal good sleep :) The whole SuperS was about focused on dreams after all.
It's a little bittersweet but I would actuallyl like it better. To many bad guys got redeemed pretty easily in the anime anyway.

Artemis did say something in the end like "A dream is only for the night, in the morning a new day begins", but he was probably just referring to them being in Nehellenias nightmare and finally getting out, rather then Nehellnias new start over.
Mamoru says it's the beginning for her, but the sleep could maybe not be eternal just give Nehellenia a second chance at life... which is actually her dream. And when it's over and she dies in the dream - she can die peacefully in reality...
Oh well, just a thought ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Is it to farfetched to think maybe Nehellenia was put into a happy-reedeming-second-chance-sleep by Sailor Moon? Think anime Jadeite "death" but instead of eternal bad sleep - eternal good sleep :) The whole SuperS was about focused on dreams after all.
It's a little bittersweet but I would actuallyl like it better. To many bad guys got redeemed pretty easily in the anime anyway.

Artemis did say something in the end like "A dream is only for the night, in the morning a new day begins", but he was probably just referring to them being in Nehellenias nightmare and finally getting out, rather then Nehellnias new start over.
Mamoru says it's the beginning for her, but the sleep could maybe not be eternal just give Nehellenia a second chance at life... which is actually her dream. And when it's over and she dies in the dream - she can die peacefully in reality...
Oh well, just a thought ;)

There's an ancient Chinese philosophy that reality & dream are only relative to one another, hence the boundary between the two isn't so clear as people think, & you can't really know whether you're in reality or dreaming at any point of time. lol

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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I think I prefer the "Her kingdom was restored" bit.

That way, she can forge a relationship of friendship and good will with neo crystal tokyo.


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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Mystery Mask wrote:
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I thought her kingdom was restored, as if nothing ever happened (with the Silver Crystal's reality bending powers), but not by sending her back in time.

That's also what I recall, & she was just reverted back to a lil girl to have a fresh restart. :)

Yes, Sailor Moon pretty much pushed the reset button. That's probably the best way to explain it.

That's off-topic, but it makes me wonder if they will use the anime Nehelenia or the manga Nehelenia for the future anime (if it goes that far, hopefully it will). They are pretty much two completely different characters.


I really hope they'll use her anime character. She's a really great villain in it, being almost like a deconstruction of the evil queens in fairy tales.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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That's also what I recall, & she was just reverted back to a lil girl to have a fresh restart. :)

Yes, Sailor Moon pretty much pushed the reset button. That's probably the best way to explain it.

That's off-topic, but it makes me wonder if they will use the anime Nehelenia or the manga Nehelenia for the future anime (if it goes that far, hopefully it will). They are pretty much two completely different characters.


I really hope they'll use her anime character. She's a really great villain in it, being almost like a deconstruction of the evil queens in fairy tales.

I wish she, along w/ Princess Kakyuu, would become a Senshi in the new anime - a Senshi w/ pointed ears would look uber cool! :cool:

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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No. Because you shouldn't need to be a senshi to be worth your salt.

They're elitist pricks who think everything revolves around them.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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No. Because you shouldn't need to be a senshi to be worth your salt.

They're elitist pricks who think everything revolves around them.

It's not about "worth" at all - it's just about the look (of the costume, transformation, attacks, etc.). :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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I'd like to think that everything that happened really did happen, but at the end of it all Sailor Moon sent Nehellania back in time, to start over. I also think that somehow when she sent her back she changed her mind-set so that she would make friends and not be so lonely in her kingdom, and thus making it so that the same thing does not repeat itself.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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I'd like to think that it didn't given how awful that season was on a whole. But no, it had to have because the Inners still retain their upgrades from that season. If the end of the first arc in Stars effected their timeline, they'd have lost them.

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Shouldn't the butterfly effect have prevented Usagi from ever being born?


Are you saying that Nehelenia is Usagi's father or something? We don't even know enough about the Silver Millenium to know what would happen.

Yes, I'm aware of the Butterfly Effect Theory. And no, I'm not a subscriber to it.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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I'd like to think that it didn't given how awful that season was on a whole. But no, it had to have because the Inners still retain their upgrades from that season. If the end of the first arc in Stars effected their timeline, they'd have lost them.

They could still upgrade w/o the events in SuperS. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Maybe another way but in the anime they did get those forms from Pegasus...

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Maybe another way but in the anime they did get those forms from Pegasus...

There's certainly another way - the Outers got their upgrades w/o Pegasus. :)

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Maybe another way but in the anime they did get those forms from Pegasus...

There's certainly another way - the Outers got their upgrades w/o Pegasus. :)
Thing is, we saw the upgrades occur on screen for all Senshi. The way it happened to the Inners was the way it was shown in SuperS. Had that season been erased from the timeline, Sailor Stars would have had Mercury/Mars/Jupiter/Venus back in their Star Power Stick-henshin'd forms beginning with episode 173.

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 Post subject: Re: Did the events in Super S happen?
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Maybe another way but in the anime they did get those forms from Pegasus...

There's certainly another way - the Outers got their upgrades w/o Pegasus. :)
Thing is, we saw the upgrades occur on screen for all Senshi. The way it happened to the Inners was the way it was shown in SuperS. Had that season been erased from the timeline, Sailor Stars would have had Mercury/Mars/Jupiter/Venus back in their Star Power Stick-henshin'd forms beginning with episode 173.

What I meant is simply that there could be ways other than Pegasus for a Senshi to upgrade into their Super forms, as already shown in the show itself, so if the events in SuperS didn't happen, there could be other events to fill the void. :wink:

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